Five NBA Trade Ideas, a Sleeper NFL Playoff Team, and Week 10 Picks | The Bill Simmons Podcast

All right, we're recording uh mid-after

afternoon East Coast time. I'm on the

East Coast. Just went to the Celtics

game yesterday. Joe House is here. We're

going to talk NFL a little bit later.

Lot of stuff. This is a good House

Simmons pod cuz it's just NBA NFL just a

just a vortex. I went to the Celtic game

last night. I saw your terrible Wizards

team.

Not that the Celtics were much better.

And uh you know the trade machine

Picasso has has definitely bought his

easel and bought some paint and bought

some brushes once the John Mar news

happened. But uh going to that Celtic

game yesterday,

the wheels started turning. I don't

really know what the point of this

Celtics season is. I don't mean to be a

dick.

It's fine. Jaylen Brown's good. Derek

White's good. Simons is okay. Pritchard

is okay. Kate has been um been fun. He's

a double double guy. You won money on

that yesterday.

But it's probably a below 500 team. And

the question is what's the point? And if

Tatum is going to be out, maybe maybe

with this legendary draft class, maybe

you start audibling. And that got me

thinking about Trades House. And here's

the problem. Really hard to make trades

this year.

The new CBA,

First Apron, Second Apron,

big contracts, teams that just like we

we can't take more money. It's actually

against the rules for us to add even $1.

Is this good? Because I was arguing with

Bobby Marks about this today on text.

Bobby Marks like the league is he said

this on ESPN. The league's in better

shape. This is all good. We have like a

better balance now. I feel like a lot of

teams are stuck with who they are. What

do you see?

>> Well, you have to def define good. What

what goal are you seeking to uh achieve

with the parody that is the the the the

world that we live in right now?

>> You mean if you're Adam Silver, what's

your goal or like

>> the league?

>> Like what do you think their goal was?

You think it was just parody across the

board and no high payrolls and that's

it?

>> Yes. Yes. Parody above all else. not

that dissimilar

from the NFL where a team like

Washington can be really bad for a

number of years, luck into something in

a lottery uh in a draft,

>> get a franchise changing quarterback,

and then make it to the NFC Championship

game. or a team like New England, which

has been bad for four or five years,

>> gets a a a great addition in a draft,

and all of a sudden New England, not

just a a playoff threat, but

potentially, you know, it's it's okay

for the good people to dream. Let me

hear it.

>> If you if you get your quarterback, you

can still spend money around him and you

can still push money forward into the

future and pay for [ __ ] you can do what

KC has done and like Casey was trying to

trade for Bruce Hall at the trade

deadline. How do they have money to do

anything?

>> I look at some of these basketball teams

and I like

>> the Knicks and Cleveland are the two

best teams in the East.

>> They also can't make any sort of trade

that would improve whatever situation

they have now, which maybe that's a good

thing. I don't know.

>> They made the trades. I mean, the Knicks

made, you know, four trades, five

trades, like franchise altering male

Bridges, uh, uh, Cat, you know,

acquiring Brunson, stealing Brunson away

from the Mavericks in, you know, uh, uh,

convincing Brunson to take an

undermarket deal. Like, that's how you

build up a nucleus that that's

competitive. Um,

>> well, most teams have not done that. And

also the way they sprung these rules

where instead of saying these are going

to start three years from now, they just

kind of they just kind of jump started

it. And I I just I look around and it's

not just that I see teams that are

probably upset about where they are or

kind of stuck with their roster or

whatever, but I also don't see a lot of

options for fixing it. And that's what's

that's what I don't remember before.

>> What needs fixing? like you don't like

the way that that um the West lines up

competitively with Houston, Denver,

>> Houston City,

>> they can still get that point guard.

They have a a an asset in the form of uh

Fred Manle's contract sitting right

there for a team that has guards,

>> you know. And and

>> the problem is the guards are either

really expensive or not quite expensive

enough.

That's a complaint about a guy getting

hurt, which happens, you know, in the

NBA and the NFL and everywhere else. But

>> well, one of the but one of the things I

was looking at is like the Lakers really

just can't trade LeBron. He has no trade

clause anyway. But even if they decided,

you know what, we're having a better

time without you. You don't really want

to be here anymore because it's Lucas

team now. Let's figure this out. There's

nowhere for him to go. Like he he can't

go to the Knicks. He can't go to

Cleveland because of the rules. Um, and

then I look at some of the other guys

that are already available like Morant.

I'm assuming Trey, you've been on this

Hawks thing. You you love the Tuesday

game when they they look great without

Trey Young. And it was like a little,

hey, look at us. Look how long and

happy. And you were you were in on that.

>> It wasn't me. It's just, you know, I

wish that we had gambled on the

overunder of when the first stories

about, hey, we kind of have a chemistry

here without Trey Young. Oh, it's so

interesting. I love Trey. But it's

interesting that we can also play

without him.

>> Yeah, you knew that story was coming. I

mean, I that the first one hit

immediately after that Orlando game. I

loved it so much.

>> So, you you seem like you like these new

rules more than I do. I wish there was

some sort of hybrid version of both of

them. Like I look at, for instance, your

team has CJ McCollum and Chris

Middleton, who I got to watch in person

last night. And Middleton, whatever life

he's leading this year is just the ideal

life. He's making like 33 million. He

kind of jogs around, takes a couple

threes, pat some dudes on the back, and

I guess they're just going to buy him

out in February, but they can't really

trade him. They can't trade Mcllum.

McCollum's a guy that, you know, is

still a good offensive player. He's

going to be on the team and get bought

out in February because nobody's going

to trade for him. And I don't know if

that's

>> I don't know if that's a good CBA if if

you have situations like that.

>> Yeah. Don't don't don't um fill in fill

in the blanks. I like a version of the

NBA where trades are possible. I mean,

we've been living, you and I, nobody

better than you,

>> but I've enjoyed it along the way as

well, 25, 30 years of imagining trades,

uh, to improve teams along the way,

along, you know, on the fly. And quite a

bit of the way that I've enjoyed the NBA

over the years is getting through the

first month of the season. Okay, now

that we have that under our belts, let's

really sort of start seeing what kind of

moves can be made, what kind of stuff is

out there, how can teams get better,

who's exc

Now it's two weeks in and it's like

eight teams that would immediately make

a trade if they could.

>> But that if you can't make the trade,

then that's not a good version of the

NBA in in my humble opinion. the trades

are an elemental part because you know

this this version of the NBA um as has

been talked about sort of adnauseium

over the last 12 months. People don't

watch the NBA like I'm watching the

games and then I'm going to talk about

the games afterwards. Everybody's

already in some conversation where the

games are secondary to the ongoing

narrative of of of the league. The the

the games give us some some color for us

to talk about. Like, how about the

Chicago effing Bulls? How about Josh

effing Giddy? That's that's that's great

stuff. Um, but it's not crucial that I

sit and watch the Bulls from the

beginning of the game to the end of the

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one. Um, basketball has lost a little

bit of that. And yet, I did find five

trades that I really liked. I did not

send these to you.

>> I knew I knew you did. I knew it. I knew

it.

>> Well, two of them have John Mar.

>> Great. And the first one's pretty chalk.

I think this one's probably floated

around, but it's Miami and Memphis.

You send J to Miami. You you put KCP in

the deal. Memphis takes back Hero and

Roier,

and you just call it a day. And Memphis

basically turns um Jaw into Hero, and

Roger's expiring. Miami has to take on

an extra year at KCP. They get Jaw. They

roll the dice that Jaw can be turned

into a superstar again. I thought the

Durant stuff on court that got captured

by video last night when he was going

back and forth with Jaw's dad and he's

like, "Your guy doesn't even want to be

here past the weekend." And when the

players are talking like that, that

tells me this is a rep. And there's

really not a lot of spots for John. I

also don't really know what his trade

value is at this point with all the

issues he's had and the lack of

durability. Like if you told me that two

years ago, it was like, "Well, Miami's

got to throw in three first and two

swaps." It's like, I don't think they

have to throw in anything. I think just

getting hero for job might might be

enough if you're Memphis, right?

>> It has to be that way. I mean, what what

reasonable expectation does Memphis

already hit its draft pick lottery with

the Bane trade

>> and what they what that creates for

them.

>> I don't blame really blame Bane to be

honest with you that that you

>> see it. I just asking if you saw his

stats.

>> The man's out on an island. It's not

good.

>> That's a rough one. Anyway, go ahead.

>> Well, I like this. So, it the the the

reason that Morant is, you know, a

damaged goods proposition is because

what situation is going to work for him

where he will come and play grown-up?

Like, he's not he won't be a grown-up in

Memphis. Memphis is a situation that I

think, you know, that it's run by

adults. I I've always respected the

acumen of the front office. I've

respected the the what they put in

charge of of coaching. And so he

couldn't make it work there. Okay. So

what are the situations where it might

work? You can cross off literally 2/3

maybe 3/4 of the league. Just cross it

off. Like there is not a world,

you know, anywhere near the universe,

the Milky Way we live in where he could

come to a place like Washington and that

would be a successful kind of situation.

I mean that that is so

>> I think it's actually illegal in the cap

for you guys to trade for anyone who's

had some sort of gun incident in the

past. I don't think we've served the

50-year sentence yet. No, I'm just

>> feels still feels too soon.

>> That was 20 years ago. It still feels

too soon. 25.

>> When you talk about situations,

it's not just like, oh, this team, he

doesn't make sense in this market

because this team's not that good. He'll

run up.

>> Um, it's also this team is doing really

well. They wouldn't want to risk it just

in case this goes sideways.

>> And then the third group is teams that

probably would take a chance on them,

but they can't figure out how to make

the trade. Like I think the Clippers are

a really good example of that.

>> Yeah. So I I would say the Clippers

like, oh, James Harden and something

else for John Morant,

>> right? conceivably, but there's no way

that trade happens. And why would

Memphis do that? So, there's really

>> Miami is the worst.

>> Miami is very good. Miami is very good.

>> Yeah. Because of the He's definitely

like the ceiling of him is higher than

Hero. You get out of having to pay Hero

when his extension's coming up. And then

you hope like, hey, if we can get J's

head straight, we have him and Bam.

Those are two of the best 25 30 guys in

the league. And Miami also has like an

institutional thing like you know uh

they'll get Alonzo Morning, they'll get

Udonis Hasslam, they'll get all the old

heads with the with the Miami lineage

>> to come get in this this this kid's head

to talk to the camp and be like this

ain't it.

>> There's a way for you to make another

$500 million. If you would like to make

another $500 million over the course of

your career, let's figure it out

together as a team. you are now part of

heat culture and there's a there's a

pathway to this, but you you got to you

got to get right.

>> There's one other team for him. I didn't

make this one of my five trades, but

just I was thinking if you're just

talking about a bad team,

there's a Brooklyn case.

>> Oh,

>> I think this this draft that's coming up

is so good. I don't think Brooklyn's

going to do anything that will

jeopardize them getting a top three pick

because you have the Kansas kid might be

the best guard prospect since Vince

Carter or even go back to Kobe. Like

that's potentially how good he is.

Peterson and then Debansa and then uh

Boozer's son, the power forward, Cam Cam

Boozer.

>> Awesome.

>> Those those three are all franchise guys

and if I'm Brooklyn, I'm doing nothing.

I could get J over the summer if I have

to. But um

>> but that was the only team because I was

thinking like man just make him like the

king of Barclays. He's

>> obviously one of the coolest guys in the

league, right? He's he's got the shoe

and he's the whole

>> there there's like street cred with him

that Brooklyn just doesn't have.

Brooklyn's like invisible. They couldn't

be more relevant. They're the third most

popular team in New York. And at least

if you have Jaw now I can put somebody

on the side of the building. That would

be the same case for Trey Young, by the

way. But yeah, Brooklyn's doing nothing

because of this draft. Next trade. I do

like that Miami trade. I'm kind of as

somebody who hates the Heat. If that

trade happened, I'm like, "Fuck,

>> they're going to fix John Mar." God

damn.

>> Yes, they could.

>> The only other John Mar trade is in this

uh team is in this next trade, and it's

a three-teamer.

And of course, Trey Young has to be in

it as well.

Memphis gets Trey Young.

Okay.

>> Toronto gets John Morant.

>> Okay.

>> Atlanta gets Quickly.

Murray Boils the the number one pick

they took.

>> Yeah. Toronto.

>> And a protected like 29 first. Not like

an unprotected, but like some some sort

of other asset.

>> And Memphis basically turns uh Miranda

into Trey. And Trey goes in there. The

Memphis fans will love him immediately.

and um and maybe everybody's happy.

>> So, we can't have Morant to Atlanta and

uh Trey to Memphis because Morant in

Atlanta feels like a a disaster. You you

agree with that? a disaster. Maybe off

the court and I think on the court. If

I'm trading Trey Young and I'm not

investing in him, it's because I really

like these long guys that I want to

build my team around. Johnson and Reese

Shay and Daniels. Like this is I want

this to be my team. I don't want to

bring in another point guard who's going

to have the ball all the time.

>> Yeah.

>> But you turn John has some depth.

Quickly is a six guy off the bench.

>> Murray Bole's another long guy. And

that's just kind of how you spend the 50

million a year on Trey Young that you

would have had to spend. You know what I

mean?

>> What's Atlanta get?

>> That's what they would get. They would

get quickly and Murray Boils. Yeah.

>> Oh, I see. Okay. And what Memphis gets

is Trey and what gets is Jaw and that's

it.

>> And maybe maybe Memphis has to throw in

a tiny bit extra because I don't know if

Do you think Trey and Jaw have equal

trade value? I would say Trey's like a

whiff higher right at this point. Well,

the problem is the contract

>> was expiring. Yeah, you're right. So,

maybe they're even.

>> I think I think they're pretty close to

even.

>> I like that idea for Toronto because

they're just like kind of they're a team

of they're like a movie of where there's

no star for the poster.

>> We the North. Uh, yes. A guy they can

rally around, a guy that that you know,

it's easy to say, "Oh, his his

situation, he was cheated out of out of

his potential down there in Memphis.

we're going to rally behind him. I do

like the coach in Toronto. I think he's

he's he's very good. Um,

organizationally,

um, you know, they move past Messiah,

which seems like the right move. Uh,

they have to have some structure for for

J to to succeed. Um, seems like a town

that that that he could work in. I kind

of like

>> kind of like it.

>> I kind of like it. If I'm Toronto, I

don't do it though. Why?

>> I I want to see what I have with this

team a little bit longer. I think

they're mildly intriguing. Like, did you

see any of the the game on Tuesday when

they just house the Bucks?

>> Yes.

>> They've had some moments this season

that and they're a 500 team, but they've

had some moments where I'm like, "Huh,

>> I get it."

>> Yeah. I I I kind of understand and maybe

maybe there's a better trade for them in

uh December, January, right? That's

that's a lot of wattage. You know what I

mean? Like that kind of uh a guy that's

on the precipice of a superstar kind of

thing. He was going to have a whole shoe

line. He was going to have all of it.

>> How are you getting that?

>> And Vernos seems like he doesn't even

have the answer to this either. Why is

John Maran unhappy this year?

>> Like what should shouldn't he be trying

to Memphis? Something seems like

>> there's some communication issue that

wasn't resolved when they fired Taylor

Jenkins. It it just didn't get fixed.

>> It's been two years of this.

>> It feels like it's been going on for a

long time.

>> Third trade. This goes back to what I

was saying with the Celtics at the top.

Um

I hate saying this and this has been

floating around for six weeks,

>> okay?

>> And I've resisted.

I actually think they should probably

trade Derrick White and I love Derek

White.

Like I He's an awesome Celtic. I don't

want to trade Derrick White, but this

team is like just good enough that

they're going to screw up their pick.

They have all of the all of the reasons

to just kind of just be one of the five

worst teams in the league. Like they're

really close. They can't rebound. Kada

is like incredibly important. If he's

not in the game, they completely fall

apart. They have like a small lineup.

They play with Josh Minat. That's kind

of fun. Who's been a revelation as like,

you know, a dirt cheap guy off the

bench, although now he's starting.

>> Um, and they just kind of live and die

by threes.

But he's, you know, he's going to be 32

later in the season. And, you know, by

the time Tatum comes back, I just, it's

the one where I'm like, why wouldn't

they, if somebody was willing to really

go after him, how do you not think about

it? because you're not only getting

assets, but you're making the team

worse, which is kind of where you maybe

want to be. Like they they they're

playing like Luca Garza and, you know,

Shyman. They're playing guys who are

just not NBA rotation guys, I don't

think. Um, and a lot and Jaylen's been

really good. Like Jaylen, you know, the

question was, could he be a true number

one? Like, he really can, but you know,

>> can you explain to me something with

him?

>> The hair thing. I don't

>> Why is he painting on the hairline? I

think to get attention. I can't think of

another reason.

>> Washington wore jersey wore the the

striped jerseys because we couldn't see

the painted on hairline.

>> I know. I don't shave his head.

>> Well, here's my Derek White trade and

it's the trade that has been floated

around for two months.

>> Okay.

>> But it but I think the trade's a little

different than maybe it was two months

ago. He goes to Houston.

>> Mhm. He goes with Tolman's expiring

and the Celtics get Van Vleet and they

get Tar Een who's been awesome this

season and they get Phoenix's 2027 first

and look if Houston doesn't want to do

that then there's no trade but I think

that's the price

>> that's a turn Derek White into Een in

that Phoenix pick

>> and you're the Celtics you kind of have

to do that I don't know how you say no

to that. Oh, that's a that's a triple

double triple double win for Boston. You

kidding me? That 2027 Phoenix pick and

Tar East respect.

>> Okay, so now respect.

That's outrageous.

>> All right, but if you're Houston and

that pick,

>> right? But that's my price up on Boston.

>> So what do you do if you're Houston?

>> Something that costs a lot less than

that.

>> So you say no way.

>> Yes. Yes. No way. Houston's close to

winning the title this year.

>> Yeah, Tari E's an important part of

that. Like he gives

>> you got give up something to get

something.

>> I understand that. But the that that

that pick is is crazy valuable. The 27

Suns pick and Tari E is very valuable to

him and and the FVV contract is is you

know a movable part for somebody.

>> Yeah. It goes this year and then next

year.

So you so would you do E and a lesser

pick than the Phoenix pick?

>> I don't know

>> because now I'm not doing it from

Boston. I'm only trading Derek White if

you've blown me away.

>> I get that part. That that part

resonates. I I understand it. But where

Houston is right now and the way that

they're playing

>> Houston looks scary. East's like playing

awesome. So the Rockets fans are

listening to this and be like, "Fuck

you. We're not trading tire."

>> I just said that and I don't blame you.

Yeah. So, how many be Houston fans?

>> I'm just saying that's the price for

Derek White. And if they can't get

something like that, I'm keeping him.

>> Okay, that's fine. Good luck. You're

going to keep him. And the most

important

>> and we'll have the eighth pick in a

three-player draft. Fire up. Next trade.

>> Oh, you're going to love this cuz your

team's involved.

>> Oh, boy. Here we go.

>> Philadelphia gets Chris Middleton and CJ

McCollum. Okay, fine.

>> Washington gets two and a half years of

Paul George,

Eric Gordon,

and Jared McCain.

>> Okay.

>> So, you take Paul George for the next

almost three years. He becomes your

Chris Middleton this year, but just for

three years, and you get McCain out of

it. That's the tax.

>> It's worth it. It's worth it. I would do

that.

>> You would do this?

>> Yes. Yes. I think I think McCain

is extraordinary. What we s the the the

problem that you have with McCain is

now, you know, two consecutive years

with these with this injury stuff. Is

this a persistent? Is this a a a trait

or is it or is it a bug?

>> Bad luck.

>> Yes, exactly. You have to make that

determination. But talentwise,

for a young player of his caliber,

there's nobody on Washington as good as

Jared McCain. And there's nobody coming

down the pike to Washington that's as

good as Jared McCain. Now, I am I'm I'm

sitting here enjoying um Mr. Sar. You

know, you got to see him last night.

He's got some skill. There's some skill

there. Here's

>> my scouting report.

really really promising stretch five.

>> Like kind of a dead eyee three-point

shooter. Yeah, I thought it was going in

every time he took it. He's got size. I

wouldn't say he's a great rebounder, but

he's not bad. I didn't really see him be

able to put the ball on the floor at all

and and really do anything. So I

basically he's I think he becomes a

better shooting Miles Turner would be my

guess for him down the road, right?

That was my takeaway watching him for

two and a half hours last night. It's

like it's like Miles Turner and Sergbaka

had a baby basically.

>> Just have to remember he's 20, right?

>> Like we're getting a lot of evidence

that there is NBA skill there.

>> No, the he's the opposite of a bust. You

should feel good about Sar.

>> I do. I do feel good about him.

>> I have really no idea what's going on

with the guards.

>> Neither do they.

Like Bub Carrington seems

like he'll be in the league for a little

while, but he's not a starting point

guard.

>> Nope.

>> I don't know why they would ever in a

million years play him and Trey Johnson

together. That was really confusing.

Trey Johnson, I texted you. His nickname

should be drive-thru. You Everybody was

just going by him. Like it was just

going in, get a cheeseburger, keep

going. Uh but he's somebody that we know

who he is. He's going to be like a

scoreer, but on that team, everybody

wants the ball and it's just it's a bad

fit for him.

>> Yeah. Um,

>> yeah. God forbid somebody like BJ

Edgecom or Ace Bailey.

>> You just Yeah, you just missed it. Well,

Sar looked like that SAR thing worked

out.

>> Okay. Yeah. I

>> think if we reddraft that draft, he's

they'd probably take him again.

>> So, you do you think Philly would do

that? Because I guess it depends on how

good you think McCain is and how

desperate you are to get rid of the Paul

George contract. They might be like,

"We're fine with the Paul George

contract. We'll just pay it."

Yeah, I mean the the calculus for Philly

is can we have this team going forward

with both Embiid and and Paul George and

the success of the team kind of depends

on both those guys ma minding their

manners for a little while

>> maybe not even playing

>> cuz really

>> both of them should shut the [ __ ] up

like neither one of them should talk

about anything having to do with you

know

>> career what and They don't they have no

contribution to make to this iteration

of the Sixers other than to play the the

the role player thing that that Embiid

is playing. I mean, his inefficiency

right now cost them the game against

Cleveland. They have him perfectly set

up

>> to be to play in this role where it's it

should be about 25 minutes. He gets

shot, but well, he took 21 shots. He

took six [ __ ] three-pointers. He was

one for six from three-point land and

they let the Cleveland Cavaliers come

back from from 20ome points down. That's

[ __ ] That's not who they shouldn't

it's it shouldn't be permissible. They

have a hard strategy

thing to solve because Joel Embiid we

signed him to this giant extension. He's

a 22 to 26 minute player a night who

should be able to come in off the bench

and give you 16 to 20 because of the

skill that he has.

>> Well, he's basically late 2000um.

>> Sure.

>> Big guy that comes off the bench. He can

carry the offense for six minutes

hopefully.

>> Yeah.

>> But maybe in crunch time you don't want

him out there because he's so slow.

>> So you have that role filled. What's the

Paul George role?

Do you start him? you have to start him.

>> The thing with the Sixers and all their

fans would say this is they just want to

watch BJ and and Maxi and they want to

see the team go up and down and they

know what the team's identity is and

they have these two guys that are in the

way of that identity. I don't think Paul

George can play that way anymore. Yeah.

>> Me either.

>> So if you're them, it's like

>> maybe we're selling high in McCain. He

wasn't even a lottery pick. He was my

favorite favorite uh pick in the draft.

>> Yeah. You know him from California,

right?

>> Yeah. I loved him in high school. I

think he's, you know, I I think he's a

real dude, but he played really well for

a couple weeks to start the season. Got

hurt. So, you know, maybe you're selling

high on that and it's a way to get out

of the Paul George thing. I don't know.

I think Philly would ultimately probably

say no to that. But I think your team,

that's the kind of trade they should be

thinking. Totally.

>> We'll take your terrible contract.

>> Um, we have these two expirings. we you

can get out of jail with what you have

and give us an asset to do this.

>> I didn't hesitate. I said, "Yes,

please."

>> For the record,

>> my fifth trade is the my favorite one

and I'm going to give it to you.

>> Let's go

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for choose your own reward, I'm choosing

my starting five so far this season. And

the players that have impressed me

knocked my socks off the most to date. I

thought we could do this together. Giddy

has to be number one.

>> Number one. Put him up there.

>> I'm so proud. I I was like

so few of us like that. Like the Giddy

Caruso trade for Chicago. I just always

like

>> tremendous win-win. An amazing win-win.

>> One of the better trades. Yeah. It was

almost George Hill trade. I think if you

go back, anybody wants to go back and

and listen to the podcast of of Bill

Simmons and people from the ringer

talking about that trade, I think

everybody was very like, "Hey, this is a

good trade."

>> Yeah. Um, all right. So, Giddy won.

>> I gotta say, I I really like Sar. I

think I I would put him in my starting

five. I think

>> if you have a 20 to say that, but you

don't have to do that cuz I'm sitting

here. There's been some other guys

>> 20-year-old 7 foot one guy who can make

six threes in a game like that's not

nothing.

>> That's not nothing. I agree. It's hard

to say when like a team that doesn't win

any basketball games.

>> I'm playing with a point guard.

>> By the way, your your my favorite guy on

the whiz is Kispert.

>> That guy should be on a winning team at

some point in his life. Just a winning

player. Tremendous. Shame to waste him

on that team.

>> Very underrated golfer. He's a He's

excellent. He thinks he's the second

best golfer in the NBA behind Steph

Curry.

>> Wow.

>> He does.

>> Tar E's my third guy.

>> Tar Ethan,

>> is he really a revelation? We've He's

established himself.

>> He's shooting 55% from three. I would

say yes.

>> Threes like that.

>> I get that point, but all I'm saying is

like he's already in a certain class.

>> Well, they're asking me. They said there

was no criteria. I'm looking at the

FanDuel rules here. Let me let me bounce

that I think have been awesome.

>> How about how about Well, let you finish

because I maybe you already have a guy.

Maybe you already have this guy.

>> Who?

>> The the the Jake Larabia guy. You don't

think for the Lakers?

>> Snow time. The Snowet Lakers.

>> Yes. Yes. Yes.

>> Part of the mayonnaise boys.

>> There you go. Now we're talking. Protein

Cup.

>> That's good. And I I'll do Cedric Howard

as my fifth one because I really like

that guy.

him. No matter how you play, FanDuel has

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Make your choice. Now, my fifth trade,

my favorite one, you mentioned the Bulls

earlier, and I intentionally held you

off. They've been really fun to watch,

and it dates back to last year. We

talked about it when we did the

overunders.

>> The overunder was like 32 and a half. We

didn't understand it because they were

so good down the stretch. They didn't

really lose anybody and we figured Bose

would be better.

What's interesting is all of it. They're

six and one and Giddy's been basically a

triple double this season. They're

shooting the lights out. They have

actually defense on the swing spots now.

>> Jones has come in as a backup point

guard and and the guy that hasn't played

yet is Kobe White.

>> Mhm.

>> Who is in the final year of uh $12

million deal?

>> You know who needs a point guard house?

Well, there's a few teams, but I would

say Minnesota is leading the way.

>> Oh, wow. Yes, they do need a point

guard.

>> Chicago has a big ass trade exception

that can make some funkiness with their

trades in a good way. It's one of the

few teams that with these modern rules,

they can get pretty creative. They can

take Kobe White. They could add somebody

to him. They could take somebody back

who makes more money than him. They have

a lot of flexibility. But if you send

him to Minnesota,

a team that desperately needs a point

guard,

and you take back Definenzo

and Rob Dillingham,

and call it a day,

I think I would do that if I was both

teams.

>> What's in it for Chicago?

>> Defin another swingman shooter. He can

get the Kevin Herder minutes.

um or maybe share the Kevin Herder

minutes or whatever and then you're

rolling the dice with Dillingham hoping

that down the road he's more of an

asset. Um

maybe you can get more from Kobe White.

I don't know. But he's in an expiring

deal making 12.

>> I mean is Kobe White going to play

better than Trey Jones?

>> I mean the way Trey Jones has been

playing I don't know. A good player

though. I mean he averaged 1920 a game

>> over over 29 minutes. Trey Jones is, you

know, isn't he 85 cents on the dollar?

Kobe White.

>> Well, well, because the other the other

way to go is you could talk to Houston

about uh

see if they're interested in Rich Guy

Reed.

Try to do a little Reed Shepard

some other contract. Send them back Kobe

Jones.

>> Kobe White.

>> Kobe White.

>> Not Trey Jones. Trey Jones and Kobe

White.

>> You said Jones. I screwed up. I don't

know.

>> It was Trey. Trey. Kobe Jones was a

really good soccer player in the mid

'90s.

>> Okay.

>> Um, Houston's another thing, but I think

Kobe Jones is a is a live trade asset

right now.

>> Said it again. Kobe White.

>> And I think Kobe White's a live trade

asset right now.

>> And Kobe White.

>> No, I think Kobe White's live on the

trade machine.

>> I do like this a lot. Kobe White

underrated. And this Bulls team getting

better. The the only question I have is

like is Deven Enenzo

like how's he fit with what this Bulls

team is trying to do?

>> Maybe that's not enough. I I had a lot

of trouble with Minnesota because they

don't really have any picks.

>> You could do swap stuff with them. I was

just trying to figure out a way to get

them there because

>> if I'm Chicago, I'm now in a car keys

situation.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I've struck oil with Josh Giddy.

This is not a sample size. This guy is

dominating games. He's getting like even

like in crunch time, he's getting where

he wants on the court and creating what

shot he wants. Like you've got something

really special happening here. And I

don't want Kobe White coming. I'm not

going to pay him next year. Um I'd

rather put my my chips into the giddy

basket and I would I would try to trade

him.

>> Well, I mean especially like Buzzel is

everything you hoped he could be. Mother

>> effort. We were talking about that in

the overunders. We were hoping it was

sitting there for him. 47% from the

field. Over 42% from three.

>> Yeah.

>> Over 80% free. Oh, he's a professional

basketball player in the NBA.

>> Well, the thing with them when you watch

them, and I've really enjoyed watching

them all year, is multiple guys who can

>> beat somebody off the dribble and kick

out. Yes. Or go to the basket.

>> And they're just really hard to defend

because you're always kind of going

backwards. And Kobe White fits into

that. So, they might decide we're just

better off keeping him. But I think when

you have a a $12 million point guard and

expiring contract in a league where

nobody can make a trade, that's a really

good asset. Maybe Danchenzo and

Dillingham's not enough. I guess I guess

Dillingham, he was the eighth pick in

the draft and Minnesota gave up an

unpredicted 2032 first for him. So I I

would assume he's an asset. He's only 20

and it's the one asset they really have

at this point. So whether that's a fair

trade or not, I don't know. But I'm the

Kobe White thing. I'm really watching to

see what they do. We've never seen

Chicago spend money. They've been happy

to go 40 and 42 every year and not pay

the luxury tax than they've been for 15

years. But they have a chance to, you

know,

>> it's really fun.

>> They also, if they wanted, they could

take Kobe and a couple of their bigger

contracts and go after expensive guy.

>> Well, who's like an expensive guy that

we think is is

>> like a guy in the 40s 50 million range?

Like a like a real a guy.

>> But the who

>> I'm not going to say a Jaylen Brown, but

like a Jaylen Brown. Not not actually

Jaylen Brown.

>> Not not Jaylen Brown.

>> Not actually Jaylen Brown. Like unless

Bazel.

>> They wouldn't Nobody wants to mess with

Sabonis, right? Sabonis isn't

>> Sabonis for Chicago. No, that I think

they would improve the wings if they did

anything. They that Patrick Williams,

Aoro, those kind of guys.

But fun team to watch. All right, that's

it for the trade machine. We're moving

to NBA.

>> Any other basketball before we go? Any

other basketball takes you want to get

off?

>> No. you believe in this Lakers thing

yet?

>> How can you not? I mean, I'm super proud

of myself. I stared at it for so long

last night. The only basketball take for

me to get off is I've started playing

moneyline parlays. I I went uh I I

stayed away from last night. The slate

didn't line up for it. But the game I

stared at long and hard was that Lakers

San Antonio game uh because I really

wanted to bet the Lakers. And I'm glad

that I I stayed away from it. But um

>> you know I

>> I understand but it's like that would

have been too nerve-wracking just you

know that that late at night. I don't I

don't need

>> San Antonio's in a rough spot without

point guards here.

You know they don't have Fox yet and

they lost Harper and I just they feel

like they're a ball hander short. I

thought I watched a lot of that Phoenix

game and I thought Phoenix

>> Phoenix did

>> work some stuff against them and um all

of a sudden they seem very stagnant to

me. Um, and they just need those guys

back. I'm monitoring San Antonio because

when they get all these guys back, I

think they're going to go rocket ship.

>> Okay.

>> All right. Football.

Um, I sent you. We are right in the as

we try to figure out Ringer 107 picks.

We're right in the exact part of the

season

when everybody thinks they knows who the

playoff teams are going to be

and yet somebody comes out of nowhere

and somebody has a swoon. And sometimes

it's one team in each conference where

it happens.

So, I mailed you all the candidates

and I think there's three teams that you

could say have a chance to make a leap.

And I'll just use the FanDuel playoff

odds to show that this would be

significant. Houston is 3 and5 plus 520

to make the playoffs. And I think they

fit all the criteria for a possible leap

team.

>> Minnesota's four and four. They were

three and four. They won last week. you

if you're under 500 week seven or later,

you fit this criteria. So, they're four

and four now. They're plus 430 for for

uh the playoffs. And then Arizona's

three and five plus 980. So, I'm just

going to give you those three teams to

start. Houston, Minnesota, Arizona. I'm

going to tell you one of those three

teams will be in the playoffs.

Which of those three would you pick?

The team that I think is the best of

those three teams is Arizona.

Um,

>> I think you're right.

>> That that

>> I couldn't believe the plus 980. I

thought that that

>> seemed really high to me.

>> They haven't lost they lost five games

so far this season, but none of them by

more than four points. I mean that

>> Yeah, I have them with the adjusted

record. I have them as three and one

with four either or games.

>> And all the game all their losses and

games have been close and it seems like

they're happier with their quarterback

situation than they were. I mean, it's

to to to to put it mildly, the the

problem with Arizona, the reason that

the price, you know, it's just a

gauntlet. They right are on the road at

Seattle. They're home against San

Francisco. Now, Jacksonville,

um I'm sure we'll get to today. Home

against Jacksonville. That doesn't worry

me, but on the road at Tampa, home

against the Rams. They have two easy

games at Cincinnati. Home Jacksonville.

And at Cincinnati, I don't even know how

easy of a game that is because Burrow

might be back. It's week 17.

>> Duro is not coming back. What What's the

point of playing Joe Burrow on that

terrible football team

>> at Seattle, at Tampa, at Houston, at

Cincy, at Rams left and they're three

and five. So they basically

>> they'd have to go seven and two.

>> It's tough.

I think you know if if I you would say

Cincinnati is to me is a win. They have

Atlanta at home. That's a win. Atlanta's

what a team.

>> Uh

>> they're at Houston I think just because

of the injuries. I Houston and and and

Arizona are very similar. And why I

think it's like you have them properly

organized in the same class. This this

is this uh concussion situation with CJ

Strad this weekend against Jacksonville.

It just couldn't come at a worse time.

And and they the Houston Texans were

poised to do the thing that we we picked

them last week to do.

>> We had that that I mean, you know,

>> that's stupid.

>> It was it was a cheap shot. Like I don't

you know

>> he didn't hit him in the head but he he

hit him as he slid down and he he he got

concussed from hitting his head off off

off the turf. I feel like not enough has

been made of of the fact that that

that's a cheap shot and it knocked the

quarterback out and that probably

clenches for Houston their inability to

make the playoffs this season because

they were kicking Denver's ass in that

game. So, I have out of those three, I

have Houston as the team that I would

pick. Even though I think Arizona's the

best of the three because Houston's

three and five.

I have them at 33 and two either or

games so far. They're plus 520 to make

the playoffs. But if you look at the

schedule, first of all, they'd have to

win the Jacksonville game this week,

which is home, which is going to come up

in Ringer 107 because I have hard

thoughts on that game at Tennessee.

So, they could be five and five in 10

days, right? a little more doable at

that point.

>> It could be

>> home Buffalo at Indie at KC home Arizona

home Las Vegas at the Chargers

>> home Indie and that game might mean

nothing to Indie.

>> So they might be locked into a one or a

two seed.

>> The problem is they they they'll be five

and five. I like the idea of where where

you're going. But then Buffalo, Indie,

Kansas City, Arizona, those are the next

four.

>> Those that's how you define what Yeah.

they at a absolute bare minimum must go

two and two.

>> The question for me is can nine and

eight make the playoffs in the AFC

because you have four teams

four teams I have four I have five teams

that I think are going to be in the

playoffs. New England, Buffalo, Indie,

Denver, and KC. And I know KC is the

eight seed, but I just think those five

teams are going to be in. I'd be

shocked. Like really genuinely shocked.

Right.

>> Would you have any of those out?

>> No. New England, Buffalo, Indie, Denver,

Casey, they're all in. So, there's two

spots left.

>> And we know one of those spots goes to

the AFC North

>> and then the other goes to the Wildard.

See Pittsburgh at 5 and three. Again,

two spots left for these four teams.

Pittsburgh 5 and three, they're minus

115 to make the playoffs on FanDuel.

>> Seems like the right place.

>> Baltimore 3 and five, they're minus 170.

Chargers 6 and3, they're minus 192. And

Jacksonville's 5-3, they're minus 158.

So, the odds are off. There's actually

value in playing all of those to not

make the playoffs, right? Because only

two of them are going to make it. So,

you're probably going to win that either

way. I would have the Chargers out. I

think the Joel thing finished them.

>> I agree with this.

>> I just think they they they've they

can't block.

>> Cannot

>> on on top of some of the other [ __ ]

that's happened to them. And I don't I

really don't I I think Herbert's just

going to get banged up.

>> They're so vulnerable to pressure.

>> They also they have they're they have a

Philly home game. They have Pittsburgh

this week at KC. They have at Denver

last week of the season. I just feels

like nine and eight to me. I think they

can go three and five. So that would be

one of my nos. And then Jacksonville I

just think is fraudulent

many times.

>> No, no, no.

>> So

>> the two teams that I have in

you didn't ask are

>> Oh no. AFC.

>> Yeah. Baltimore and Denver.

>> I have Baltimore and Denver.

>> I had Denver in already. You said AFC

West when you ran when you ran through

the teams because you had the Chiefs in

and then you said another spot for the

AFC West. So I

>> Oh, I had New England, Buffalo, Indie,

Denver, and KC. I had those five.

>> Okay. Okay. Okay.

>> So, two left.

>> I see. Oh, okay. Now I got it.

>> Pittsburgh, Baltimore Chargers,

Jacksonville, Houston. Pick two.

Pittsburgh, Baltimore Chargers,

Jacksonville Houston.

I have Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

I think that's right.

And Houston would have to take one of

their spots. I think how is how

>> this is how this is how stupid I am.

>> Yeah,

>> we'll get to it. And then Ringer

107.

>> Okay.

>> I really like Pittsburgh in in LA this

week.

>> Oh, unfortunately I did, too. I had it

marked down. Damn it.

>> It makes a ton of sense. the

>> you know what killed Houston that game

last week.

>> It did.

>> And they'd be four and four right now. I

think they'd be fine

>> with a game in hand against Denver,

which is an important thing.

>> Going six and so they're three and five.

They'd have to go seven and two down the

stretch to get to 10 wins.

>> I can't get there with Houston. I can't

get there.

>> All right. So, I the only reason I bring

all this up is I think it informs the

how we should be thinking about Ringer

107 because this is a

>> this is a uh fork in the road for the

playoffs in a lot of ways in the NFC

where we have four teams that I think

are in Philly, Green Bay, Tampa, and

Seattle. There's three spots left

and yet um the Rams are minus 750 to

make the playoffs at 6 and two. Detroit

is minus 430 to make the playoffs at 5

and three and San Francisco is minus 385

to make the playoffs at 6 and three.

This is all in FanDuel. So FanDuel is

basically saying

the other four spots

four to one odds against these teams

making it basically which is they're

prohibitive favorites.

So Chicago is plus 185, they're 5 and3.

Carolina's 5-4, they're plus 235 with a

pretty easy schedule. Um, and then

Minnesota 4 and four and Arizona 3 and

five. There's a mild Bears case house.

I actually was surprised they were plus

185. I thought that should have been a

little closer to even because they got

the Giants this week. They could be six

and three at Minnesota. Pittsburgh at

Philly at Green Bay, Cleveland home,

Green Bay home, at San Francisco, home

Detroit.

And I I think they can get to at least

nine wins.

But would you go chalk or would you

would you have an outlier? Detroit Rams,

San Francisco, last three spots. Would

you go chalk?

>> Yeah,

>> you would. You would go chalk. the

parlay that I that that we talked about

and we've been sort of pursuing over the

last couple weeks still feels um right

to me. I just even though Chicago I want

to give them credit because they keep

surprising with changing the script of

things that they can't do and then they

start doing it successfully. They I

think they're the best rush team on

offense, the best running team on

offense over the last maybe at least

three weeks, maybe month. The

combination of DeAndre Swift and the guy

that you picked up um in free agency

last week for his dominant 170

guy.

>> Yeah, a guy. Not a guy. Not a guy. Yes.

>> Well, so Detroit

Rams, Detroit, San Francisco, all to

make the playoffs right now is minus 112

basically even odds. Those are the

three.

And if I had to pick a party crasher, I

think I would pick Chicago just because

they've had the turnover luck all year.

And and it's weird, but with turnover

luck, it seems to change season to

season and not during the season. Once

you're kind of in that turnover, good

shit's happening. It feels like it just

keeps going. I have no anecdotal

evidence. I mean, no hardcore evidence,

more anecdotal, but sometimes every it

feels like there's a horseshoe up the

ass team in each conference every year.

And this year, it's Pittsburgh and

Chicago.

>> The team,

>> and I it just feels like a run that

keeps going.

>> The team I' I'd like to fade based on

all the vulnerability we saw out of them

last week is Detroit because that

offensive line has revealed something to

us. They just

>> They've had a lot of injuries.

>> Yeah. uh the injuries in the secondary,

but they still have three three games

against the worst teams in the NFC East,

which are all of the NFC East teams

except for the Eagles. They get to play

Washington this week. Now, eight and a

half is a ridiculous number.

Preposterous. Uh and under no

circumstance I tell anybody to lay eight

and a half with the Detroit Lions on the

road outdoors against Washington. They

might end up covering it.

>> Yeah. Daniels was playing that line's

four

>> three and a half. Right. Exactly.

And and the difference between Mariota

and and Daniels is not five points.

>> This year's version of D.

>> Sure. Yes. I'm here to tell you. Um but

they they Detroit also still gets the

Giants. They still get uh Dallas. And so

otherwise just because their schedule

ends with two division games on the road

against Minnesota and on the road

against the Bears.

If they're duking it out with the Bears,

that Bears last game of the season might

be for that playoff spot, right? So

>> what are the odds for the Bears to make

>> plus 185? Well, and then Carolina, we

should mention quickly

they're five and four. I have them at

two and two with five either or games.

That's not bad. But they're playing New

Orleans this week. They're going to be

six and four.

At Atlanta next week, they could be

seven and four. At San Francisco, who

knows who's left on that team.

>> Yeah.

>> Play the Rams bye-week at New Orleans,

Tampa, Seattle, and then at Tampa last

week of the season, but Tampa will have

at least quenched whatever they needed.

>> There's a pretty easy case for nine wins

for them. So there,

>> and then all that would need is one

upset after that. That all of a sudden

they're 10 and seven and in the

playoffs.

>> I haven't bet eight and eight going

through the schedule the way you just

did going into

>> eight and eight, but like

>> week 17,

>> all of a sudden they they beat the Rams

in Carolina and you're like, "Oh my god,

that my issue with looking at the

playoff picture this year is there's no

I can't believe this." Like when we get

to January and we're like, I can't

[ __ ] believe this team's in the

playoffs. And that team is there every

year and I don't know who that team is

this year, but it's going to be a team.

It's going to be the Bears. It's going

to be the Panthers,

>> right?

>> What's the Carolina odds to make the the

playoffs?

>> Plus 235. M. So, a tiny bit on the Bears

at plus 185 and a tiny bit on Carolina

at plus 235

to offset the plus 340

17 parlay for the NFC picture that I bet

two weeks ago.

>> That's what it was. Plus 340.

>> Plus 340.

>> Oh, when I sent it to you.

>> And then it dropped because Washington

went out and and put up a stinker

against the Chiefs. Washington at that

point was still within the in the

running.

>> Uh San Francisco is the is the weak link

in that threesome.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> The amount of injuries they've had and

they still have a at Zona. They still

have an at indie. They got the Rams this

week where they're getting four and a

half points in that game. They have

Seattle last week of the season. They're

at Cleveland one week. I could easily

see them losing five more games.

I was telling you and in S and uh

Henchow, I had made some San Francisco

bets before the year. I bet the under 10

and a half and when I went to when I was

in Boston, you can look at FanDuel and

they offer you the do you want to buy

this out now?

>> Cash out.

>> Yeah, you can cash this out if you're

not happy. So they offered me like 85%

of the Ner's underb.

>> Mhm.

>> Right. Maybe even 90%. They're like,

"You can have all this now or do you

want to ride it out?" And I was like,

"Oh, that's interesting. So FanDuel

doesn't think the Niners are winning 11

games cuz they really want me to cash

this bet out for 90%."

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LC Incorporated. All right, Ringer 107.

We're one game under 500. Some bad luck

last week with Houston. I I just felt

like we've been banging out three and

twos, four and ones for a while. The

Houston one. What can you do? Stayaways

this week. I'd like to stay away from

Panthers minus five and a half against

the Saints if that's possible.

I don't want to lay that many points

with the Panthers.

>> Say less. Say less. Don't Don't have to

bet. Don't have to argue about that one.

>> Browns minus two and a half against the

Jets who just traded two of their best

guys on defense and look like um a

classic Euing theory situation and I

don't want to take Dylan Gabriel on the

road and

>> kids may not be playing.

>> Weather all kinds of stuff

>> weather. I just I don't want any part of

that. I don't want that in a ring 107.

That's up.

Lions at Washington laying eight and a

half. I thought about the Lions in a

parlay situation, but first of all, they

screwed us last week.

>> Nope.

>> Second of all, we're not taking

Washington. They've lost by 22, 21, and

24 the last three weeks, and it seems

like if they fall behind by 10, the

game's over. Um, and their defense is

38th yards per play, 29th pass. I have

no idea what's going to happen this

game. I don't really want to have money

on it. You agree? Um, I'm not going to

make a case that we should bet on um,

Washington. I'm just saying the number

is crazy. It's It's way over inflated.

It's not a good number.

>> No, it is. It's a It's our flash sale

line of the week.

>> Yes, it is.

>> It's Do you like Washington at 5 and a

half? Here's eight and a half

>> right now. 12 hour lightning deal.

>> Buy now. Washington can get pressure.

They don't have no edge pressure, but

they can get pressure up the middle. Um,

>> well, it's also that this is the season.

If they lose this game, their season's

over and they're home.

>> And I do think they're going to lose

this game, but eight and a half is

preposterous. Anything over a touchdown

is ridiculous.

>> House, remember when Washington was

awesome and they went to the

>> It was last year. I enjoyed it. It was

amazing.

>> It was great. Feels like it was about

eight years ago.

>> It was just last year.

>> Um,

>> I think Seahawks Cardinals

is a stay away for me. It's Seahawks

home minus 6 and a half and I know

there's some cases for the Cards playing

them. They've been You mentioned them

earlier. They've been every game's been

close, etc., etc. Um, Seattle's advanced

metric stuff is pretty nuts and I kind

of want to see somebody beat them before

I go against them. I also don't want to

lay seven in a a must-win game for

Arizona.

>> That I I don't know what that number is

based on. If Kyler Murray was playing,

then I could see this number making

sense. Yeah,

>> because uh Mike McDonald um would

absolutely have something cooked up for

for for Kyler, but um the six and a half

is is not a good number. I think Arizona

is much better than than that. And

Seattle is super getable at home.

>> On the flip side, you could say that

number is not high enough because

Seattle's first in DVOA in the whole

league. Aaron shot said they had the

fourth best DVOA through eight games

since 1978.

So, they're not just really good,

they're [ __ ] killing teams. Um,

second, their D is second against a run,

second yard per play, third for

quarterback hits.

Uh, their passing offense is obviously

awesome. Here's my fear with this one. I

think they're especially post Shahed

trade, a little too much too much buzz.

>> I agree. I I mean, I think

>> I just like this feels like a classic.

Oh, and in Arizona, Arizona's up 10

nothing. I don't want any part of this

game. Next one is Bears home against the

Giants. They're laying four and a half.

Um,

and my eyes keep drifting to it and I

keep trying to talk myself into it, but

it feels too square.

>> It's in the Vegas zone for a reason.

I mean, the Giants run defense is awful.

I love that Bears running back last

week. I think he can run all over these

guys,

>> but yet you look at the turnover luck

the Bears have had and some of the other

signs and it's like I just it's a stay

away from me. I wish this line was like

one and a half.

>> Then they'd be fine. Then then it would

be worth betting on. Yeah. No chance. I

I won't let us bet on the Bears under

this that number.

>> Do we want to go near Packers Eagles?

>> I have a strong conviction on one side

of that game.

>> Oh well, let's hear it. The Packers are

favored by two and a half head in Green

Bay. What is your strong conviction?

>> I really think this is an opportunity

for the Eagles to re assert themselves

at the top of the NFC class. I think the

Eagles are super live to go get the one

seed in the NFC. It is there for the

taking in view of the trades that

they've made. They have told us that

that is their desire. They have been

very good against Green Bay

historically. And the argument in favor

of Green Bay is will they show up or

won't they? Every other game they've

played the good teams in the league very

well, Green Bay has, but it is

inexcusable

to have the loss that they had last week

against Carolina and their receiver

room. The only guy that I can look at

and and know confidently is healthy

coming into this game is Dobs. Uh I I

think that

>> who wears the Kazoo helmet.

>> Yes, he does. Yes, he does. I think that

it is it is yet to be written how

impactful the absence of Craft is on

that offense.

>> Matthew Golden playing, maybe not

playing at all. Who knows?

>> Craft especially though is the thing.

>> Cra Yeah, Craft. We talked about that.

Uh Sh and I talked about that Tuesday.

He looked like Shield thought he was the

best tight end in the league,

>> right? Yes. The the the the different um

things that that that Green Bay could

do. They can't really run the ball. They

don't really run the ball. I think I

think it's a great situation to get into

the Eagles.

>> Can I interest you in maybe a little

slight bump up and some sort of teaser

parlay situation with the Eagles to get

them four?

>> I'll listen.

I think you're right on the Eagles. My

one fear

is Green Bay doesn't turn the ball over

and they're great on third down. They're

second on third down, second and

turnover. So when they have the ball,

they have it for a while. Eagles are

26th on third down, 22nd in causing

turnovers, right? And my fear is you

take the Eagles and the Packers just

have these long boring seven minute

drives and then the Philly gets the ball

back and they go three and out and the

Packers have the ball for eight minutes

again. And I just was playing that on my

in my head. DVOA Green Bay seventh and

Philly's 11th. I'm with you on uh I like

the Eagle spot because I agree with you

on Craft. I think that was a bigger

issue than uh maybe the Lions are giving

credit for. Do you have an opinion on

Charger Steelers? Because that was in

the maybe camp for me.

Um, I think that it is basically uh a

West Coast home game for the for the

Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah,

>> I think that the P place is going to be

packed with Steelers fans. And I thought

that the adjustment that they made on on

defense

um and the way that they played the

Colts uh was amazing. Now, yes, they

generated six turnovers. Are they going

to generate six turnovers against the

Chargers? It feels unlikely, but they

showed uh an ability to to adapt and,

you know, they they took away from the

Colts what the Colts like to do. Um, and

we've been sitting here waiting for this

Pittsburgh uh defense to to reveal

itself to us all season long. Um, they

worked into high cover. They were they

just showed a lot of flexibility that

they for whatever reason been unwilling

to show us earlier and I think that this

>> did they play some Robert Bernay?

>> I think they did.

>> Did they the stakes stakes saw splits?

>> I think they had that one. There was

some simulated pressure some simulated

uh

>> some simulated

>> worershire pressure.

>> Oh, interesting. Yeah.

>> Did they do any ex- robber? There was

probably some ex Robert Tabasco.

>> Well, the stats say Pittsburgh's defense

[ __ ] sucks.

>> Yeah, they do.

>> They give up this year. They've given up

278.3

passing yards per game.

>> We watched it.

>> Per game.

>> Yeah. Watch it all season.

>> 32nd in the league against the pass. And

they're second in turnovers, which makes

no sense. Here's a concerning stat.

The Cleveland Browns have 134 first

downs. Would you say that's a good

offense?

>> Doesn't feel like it.

>> The Steelers have 139. They're five five

more. They basically have the same

number of first downs as the Cleveland

Browns.

>> It makes me nervous.

>> Yeah,

>> they're also 30th uh in the run.

>> I don't know. This is still a maybe to

me.

Um, let's go to the parlay section of

this

where I have the Bills do offense minus

N and a half and I would love to put the

Bills money line with a pick and adjust

the line just a little bit.

>> Okay.

>> Where we have the Bills first first run,

third pass or third yard per play.

Miami's 30th against the run, 28 yards

per play. Miami stinks, by the way, in

case you haven't noticed. Buffalo's

defense second against the pass. Um, all

these good miss uh matchup stuff. Plus,

like every week we've had a new MVP and

this feels like it's the Josh Allen,

hey, actually I'm the MVP week where he

just like kills

>> the Dolphins. But I would just know

after that.

>> No, I know. But nobody's like

>> each week somebody's had a is he the

MVP? But we haven't had the Josh Allen,

is he the MVP week yet?

>> Maybe it's this week. I would love to

put them in with something.

And I was thinking that something could

be the Ravens in Minnesota, unless you

want to do the Eagles.

>> Uh, let me hear the the I I love the

Ravens this week, so you're not going to

have to sell me.

>> Ravens the the this line drifted a

little high.

This line went to

Ravensus 4 and a half in Minnesota.

>> Mhm.

But it's an absolute must win for

Baltimore and they're completely

healthy. And um could Minnesota really

beat Detroit, Baltimore, and backto-back

weeks?

>> Nope.

>> That's what I keep thinking.

>> Nope.

>> So I was thinking like for instance, we

could take the Ravens line to uh two and

a half, throw it with the Bills money

line, and that gets us in the minus 120.

>> Fine.

>> We could also take the Eagles line up to

four and a half.

put that with the Bills money line same

bet. I think we should do one of those

two.

>> Uh I'd rather put because one of those

two bets we I feel like we need as its

own standalone bet. So which one?

>> Well, we can figure that out.

>> Yeah,

>> let's Well, let's we'll go through the

rest of these.

>> Just talk me out of the Falcons Colts.

Falcons plus six and a half.

>> Um

>> I'm dying to bet the Colts. I'm dying to

bet the Colts.

>> It's in Indie. I'm sorry. It's not in

India. It's in Berlin. It's in Berlin.

>> It's in Germany.

>> Yeah, it's in Berlin.

>> Which franchise of those two do I think

is going to be better prepared? Like the

[ __ ] Falcons can't figure out how to

travel to to San Francisco and be

competitive. that can travel

internationally and have their [ __ ]

together enough to put up, you know, a

monocum of resistance against this Colts

team that's dying after getting its

pants pulled down and, you know, and on

that that stage with Pittsburgh to show

>> Ward's concussed and Gardner supposedly

cleared, but Gardner is going to go from

the Jets to the Colts and then fly to

Germany and that's his first game and

he's going to be good. I'm a little

dubious.

>> Better than than than their alternative.

Better than the alternative, that's for

sure.

>> You're at

>> I thought the Falcons were pretty good

last week.

>> They were.

>> I thought they played a great spot for

them. They did. They did play a great

They played bad.

>> They played They're not good.

>> This does violate our Europe rule, which

is why I had to put an asterisk next to

it.

>> I would probably lean Falcons, but I

think we have to stay away.

>> Okay.

>> [ __ ] A. I like the Niners. Wish I

didn't. Niners are plus four and a half

at home against the Rams.

>> You're supposed to grab all those points

with the Niners. That's what we're

supposed to do.

>> They played in week five. It was an

overtime game. San Francisco won 2623.

>> The Rams won every aspect of that game.

The Rams beat the crap out of the Niners

in that game until, you know, there was

a fumble at the goal line.

>> Niners are home. There's all kinds of

weird Rams kicker [ __ ] going on. So, I

feel like there's a free three points in

this game.

>> It's Niners plus four and a half, but

it's really Niners plus seven and a half

because somebody in the Rams is missing

a kick.

>> Interesting.

>> There's a lot of like the Mcshay versus

Shanahan stuff I think has been

overblown because the Rams did beat them

twice last year. Um, but it's a it's a

nice fun long rivalry and uh I don't

know how good do you think the Rams are?

because the advanced metrics say they're

better than what I'm what I feel like

I'm watching with my eyes.

>> Their defense is is getable. Their

secondary is super getable. It's just

that they've been able to put pressure

on teams and they've been able to

>> third in sack, fourth in hits.

>> Yeah, there you go. So that that that is

how they've addressed the fact that

their secondary is crazy vulnerable.

>> I think it's too many points. I have it

marked down.

>> Okay,

>> next one. Bucks Pats. Bucks minus two

and a half in Tampa against the Pats.

Listen, we're under 500 and it's week 10

and I have no problem going against my

team for one week. I'll still root for

them.

>> Okay,

>> I think this line's too low. I I just

think this is a horrible matchup for the

Pats. I don't like it at all because

it's not going to The Pats are great

stopping the run. It's not going to

really matter. I don't even think Bucky

Irving is going to play. I think that

Tampa's going to throw the ball and move

the ball and do the stuff they do with

Baker and the Pats. Atlanta was going up

and down the field on them throwing the

ball last week and it really, you know,

I think they have problems covering

tight ends. They have problems covering

running backs. There's there's receiver

issues with the Pats whereas Booty the

moment he left the game that they were

kind of never the same. They they lost

like their deep threat when they lost

him and uh Diggs is playing half the

game. If you look at the snaps, like M.

Collins played 60% of the snaps last

week and Kyle Williams played 50%.

>> And also like Raandre is hurt. They're

not really running the ball. And uh

>> I just think they're due for a [ __ ]

game. They they haven't been down by 10

points to anybody since week one.

>> This I don't like the spot. I I think

this

>> we're in lock step. I

>> Yeah,

>> I was worried that I was going to have

to talk you into this. I absolutely

love.

>> I just I feel bad because I didn't want

to go anti-ats, but we have anti winner

107. We have to do

>> Yeah, we're we're in lock step to Tampa

as a play this week at that number.

>> Plus, if the Pats win, I'm happy to

sacrifice the 107 pick. [ __ ] them.

>> Um

Texans Jaguars. I can't believe we're

going back to the wall, but I like the

Texans again.

>> I just can't with Davis Mills. I just

can't do it. I just can't.

>> Well, it might have to be one of my

picks.

>> It could be your pick. I just, you know,

I I watched it. We were in a perfect

situation with the Denver G like that

and and

>> I'm aware

>> the Jaguars, let there be no doubt. I

mean, Trevor Lawrence, his completion

percentage over expectation. He is in

the company of players like um Cam uh

what's the Cam Ward and Dylan?

>> Oh, I have I have his EPA. He's 46.

>> Yes. Fields is 37th.

Two is 43rd.

Kurt Cousins is 52nd. So he's barely

better than Kurt Cousins who was dead.

>> You want to play?

>> I just don't think Jacksonville against

that defense is doing jack [ __ ] So let

me make the Davis Mills case.

>> Okay.

>> He's 519 and one as a starter.

>> Oh, wait. That didn't help me. [ __ ]

>> That's your opener.

>> No, I got to make a different case. uh

came in cold.

>> Okay.

>> Last Sunday.

>> They gave him this whole week. They

didn't know he's going to play.

>> They they they made a plan for him this

week. Last week now he knows he's going

to play. It's like, hey, we're playing

Jacksonville. Jacksonville 27th against

the pass. 31st sacks this year.

Pretty good against the run.

>> First in penalties. That's another

Jacksonville thing. They [ __ ] have 10

penalties a game.

>> Yeah. Davis,

here's the plan. You're going to do

this. You're going to do this. We got

Nico back with third and five. We have

this pet play for you.

>> Well, look at how

>> they had the whole week to plan him.

>> How starved Jacksonville um is in the

receiver room.

>> They don't have Thomas or Hunter

>> to think that Jacobe Meyer is going to

be the They had to go in that direction.

>> Yeah. Like I watched the Raiders game

last week and I don't remember him doing

anything.

I remember Brock Bowers doing stuff.

>> Sure.

>> By the way, I forgot to mention during

the Indie thing, I I was so mad I missed

this on Tuesday. Couple people mentioned

it to me. Um, new owner syndrome with

the Sauce Gardener trade. It was a

basketball trade.

>> Very good. Very good. I like

>> the Daughters took over the team.

Everybody loves the Daughters. This was

like, ah, we got to Sauce Gardener.

Let's go get him. And it was like a new

owner. It was a classic new owner trade.

>> It really was.

>> Two first gardener for sauce gardener.

We got to do this.

Uh

Houston's defense is top six everywhere.

>> Yeah.

>> I just feel like the defense wins the

game. Mills makes two throws.

>> Okay.

>> They're going to be able to run the

ball. Yeah.

>> It's minus Is it still minus one and a

half?

>> It's minus one and a half.

>> Wait, the the Texans are are underdogs

in this game.

>> Did it flip again?

>> It's flipped,

>> I'm telling you.

>> No. Yeah, they're Texans are underdogs

again. They were they were favored 4

hours ago.

>> Well, for one Ringer 107 purposes, what

what are they?

>> They're plus 10 plus one.5.

>> So, they're underdogs.

>> There you go. Yeah, they're underdogs.

>> That's what we want.

>> Okay. All right. We're going to take a

break and then House and I are going to

come back and figure out the Ringer 107

once and for all. All right. Today's

Ringer 107. It's brought to you by

FanDuel. We have five picks that we like

that we figured out over the over the

long commercial break. You have no idea

how long it was. This is House's pick.

I'm going to pass House gets a pick

every week. House, you pick the Bucks

minus two and a half over the Patriots.

What was your case?

>> Um the case is the case that you made

for New England. It's a tough spot. It's

Bucks. It's Tampa coming off of a buy

restored health a lot of skill position

even with Bucky Irvin still missing. Um

upper class for New England. in New

England's been impressive, but this is

uh you know a real heavyweight that

needs to win games to finish out the

season. So I like Tampa at home.

>> Yeah, the Pats can come out of this and

still be only three losses in with only

a couple games left in this season that

are that are hard and in two Jets games

as well.

>> Yeah, it's a tough spot. I'd be put this

way, I'd be very surprised if the Pats

won this game with uh some of the

injuries on offense with the way they

blocked the last couple weeks. 17 sacks

in three weeks. With the way they've

been covering tight ends and running

backs, this is a tough spot for them.

Uh, next pick, we're going to do a

little parlay.

Ravens down to minus two and a half in

Minnesota. So, Ravens have to win by

three in a must-win game. And if you

believe the Ravens are still a Super

Bowl contender, there's no way they

can't win this game against JJ McCarthy

in Minnesota. And we're going to put

that with the Bills money line against

the Miami Dolphins. And that is exactly

minus 120 house. We barely made it. If

it had been one inch another way, we

lose that parlay. So anyway, that's

minus 120. Ravens minus 2. Bills money

line. And I could see both of those

where both teams win by like two

touchdowns.

>> Me too.

>> I feel like we're going to be smooth

sailing with that parlay. Next one is

another Joe House favorite. It's the

Eagles plus two and a half in Green Bay.

And I agree. um the craft injury, the

uncertainty in the wide receiver room,

the Eagles kind of needing to play a

good game. All of their stats are like,

eh. Um

>> it's the pass rush for the Eagles that I

think we're going to see for the first

time. Remember how dominant they were

down the stretch and through the

playoffs. We have the return of Nolan

Smith.

>> We have the addition

talk now. Now we got some dudes. And

look, this is the the vulnerability of

Green Bay. like the, you know, they have

the training wheels on Jordan Love

because that they they they that

offensive line isn't quite 28th in in

run block win rate the Packers. So they

don't they don't intimidate you with

establishing the run, Green Bay. And

they can't set up play action because

teams aren't taking the run serious.

>> So

>> Monday night game too for this.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. This is a nice Eagles.

>> We've now reclaimed our territory spot.

I like it. So Eagles plus two and a

half. That's our third pick.

The Ners,

this is my pick. I just think it's too

many points and I can only name four

guys in their defense at this point, but

Niners plus four and a half at home

against the Rams. You're getting an

extra three points from the missed field

goal that the Rams are going to have

during this game. So, it's a flash sale.

It's really you're getting it at nine or

seven and a half. Um, I just think these

games are going to be close with all

these NFC West games.

>> I just feel like that's how it's going

to go all season. They're all going to

come down to the wire. Is it maybe

Seattle can elevate above these teams,

but um,

>> you know, if the Niners lo It's a little

bit of a m I hate the word must win, but

it's it's a you don't want to go six and

four lose.

>> Yeah, but they stole their split with

the Rams. They stole they stole that

split wi with by by winning in week five

the way they did.

>> Yeah. I just don't want to be six and

four with half my team in the hospital.

>> Fair enough.

>> And then if you're the Rams, it's a

little bit of a must win because you

don't want to lose every tiebreaker to

the Niners potentially. But I don't

know. It feels like there's some voodoo

against the NerS. Fano asking me to cash

out of my Niners under 10 and a half

made me suspicious. Um, we'll see. We'll

see if they can fight the voodoo off

this week. Texans plus one and a half at

home against the Jaguars. Trevor

Lawrence favored

in Houston against one of the three best

defenses in the league. What are we

doing?

>> Nope. Nope. Nope. Here's my impression

of Trevor in the third quarter

with that the beautiful

>> Here's my impression of Trevor in the

fourth quarter.

>> Eyes in the back of the head. Eyes hands

covering the eyes. Hands covering the

back of the head.

>> Demo Ryan owes us too.

>> Little bit.

>> He owes us

>> little bit.

>> The the 14-second drive with the minute

14 left. God

>> on your own 10 yard line. Yeah.

>> So anyway, we're taking the Texans plus

one and a half. So to recap, Bucks - 2

and 1/2, Ravens - 2 and 1/2 with Bills

moneyline parlay minus 120, Eagles plus

2 and 1/2, ners plus 4 and a2, Texans

plus one and a half. I like that we have

a couple home dogs this week, too.

>> Me, I feel the same way.

>> Some home cooking. And I can't believe

we win against my team, but that was the

Ringer 107. And it was presented by

FanDuel. Did you like the Saucegardner

trade?

>> I did. I I understand the

>> You're always a mark for trading

multiple firsts for a good player.

You've always loved that.

>> You because he's a good player. Like you

don't have to wonder. He He's a first

round pick that is like how how many of

those first round picks that they traded

are going to be as good as Sus Gardner?

Tell me the answer to that and then and

then we can assess this. But look, this

this Colts team um recognizes the the

window and recognizes they have an it's

the part of their team that is, you

know, the the most vulnerable because of

injury and and you know, the talent that

they had there. I I have absolutely no

issue whatsoever with them going for it.

>> It's kind of like when you went got

Marshon Latimer last year.

>> It was

>> He's one of your favorite commanders.

>> That's not true. And good luck to him

and the rest of his I don't think he's

going to have much of a football career

after this, but to the rest of to to

whatever happens to him in life, good

luck to him.

>> Can we talk about the guillotine league

really fast?

>> Go ahead.

>> Before we go,

>> go ahead.

>> Are you still alive in the guillotine

league?

>> You took all of my good players. I I had

this the the beauty of the guillotine. I

had a great team. I I mean, I had an

amazing team. You I just hit a week. I

had Bejian Robinson going up against the

Dolphins and he and he produced four

fantasy points. I had Caleb Williams in

a good situation.

>> Oh yeah, I can't remember. You took all

my guys. I had Bucky Irving.

>> So there's two strategies. One is in the

guillotine league for people that don't

know.

>> You start out with 17 teams, 16 teams,

however many teams you want to have.

Lowest team every week gets voted out.

So we we're started out just gets cut.

>> Well, it's just cut. You're just cruy

>> that's it. and your players become

available and people can bid on them.

And there's two ways it can go. One is

you have a thousand bucks to spend

bidding war for the guys like when Bejan

Robinson becomes available. Or you try

to get Ky

and see how long you can last with the

team you picked. Pick around the edges

but kind of wait until there's less

teams. And I chose the latter strategy

and almost lost twice. Like I I probably

should have lost. I I don't really think

I should be alive, but I lucked out. I

had barely made it.

>> You You beat me on Monday Night Football

with Isaiah Pacheco running for 48 yards

or whatever. That's how I got

>> and we both had terrible weeks and I

barely edged you out,

>> but I had the most money this week

>> and somebody's team got cut and all of a

sudden it was Josh Allen was available

and James Cook and Jamar Chase and

Jaylen Wadd, all these dudes

>> and I had the most money. I had like 630

bucks.

>> Jeff Chow had 500

>> and then nobody else had more than like

180.

>> Yeah.

>> And so I was like planning it out and I

actually outwitted Jeff Chow who runs

business for The Ringer in Spotify

Studios. I outwitted him just flat out.

I bid 251 for Josh Allen and 251 for

James Cook thinking Jeff would go for

one. Beat him on both of those and then

got your bar chase too. And now I'm in

the driver's seat

>> and I just stuck it to Jeff Chow. It was

great.

>> Sure.

>> Mr. Business. Yeah. Who's the business

guy now?

>> I don't I don't yet.

>> I don't I'm not pretty that once you get

cut, you can't go back and look. And

honestly, I don't know why I would. But

what did he bid? What child bid on those

guys?

>> I don't know. You know what he bid? Not

enough.

>> Not enough.

>> So here's my team. Josh Allen, Jir

Gibbs, James Cook, Amecha Ibuka, Quinton

Johnston, George KD, Sam Leaporta, and

DK Mechaf.

>> It's a pretty good team.

>> That's a pretty good one.

>> It's pretty good.

>> And this is what happens if you can

somehow survive.

>> Yeah.

>> And then go all in in like week nine,

week 10. But now that everyone knows

that strategy, I don't know what the

counter strategy is to that.

>> I guess it would be just be drafting.

>> Don't get Don't have guys get hurt.

That's that's, you know,

>> Well, that's the thing. The other

guillotine league I was in, we had Lamar

and he got hurt in week four and it was

like

>> So you're done. That's right.

>> Yeah. You're done. You got to get a

little healthy. But you liked it though.

>> I loved it. You kidding me? I I did a

good job drafting. I was very proud of

myself. I You just catch a a dry week

and you're done. You just go home.

>> I'd rather be done versus like have the

carcass of my mediocre fantasy team drag

on for 14 weeks. You know what I mean? I

have a I'm in a league where my team is

one and eight. I did an autodraft and it

the the rankings that it was CBS. I'll

call them out. I mean, it was an

abomination.

>> They they should be embarrassed claiming

that they have fantasy experts. All I

did was hit autodraft and went to like

the the 10th overall pick in in in a you

know non-PR league. They gave me Lamar

Jackson. Like what? What? Like I need a

[ __ ] running back at the 10th pick.

Whoever the the best running

>> Well, couldn't you have said that in

your settings?

>> I this is the point of autodraft,

>> right?

>> You're the [ __ ] expert. You

>> AI will make this better.

>> Maybe this will be maybe AI will be used

for some good.

>> So stupid. So it's fine. But I do

diligently set a lineup every week

because I have integrity and it's for

the integrity of the league. I mean, I

made six trades in or acquisitions this

this past week, but yes.

>> Did you just praise yourself for making

moves in a fantasy league?

>> Just maintaining the integrity of the

league, not just walking away from my

hot trash autodraft CBS bot, go [ __ ]

yourself hot garbage uh scenario.

>> Hey, one other thing before we go. It

looks like it looks like the uh Sunday

Ringer pregame show is going to be

available on all the FanDuel

RSNs.

>> Let's go. How about that?

>> So, if you have one of those FanDuel

RSNs

where you know like you see Golic and

Goolick ads or you have that like that's

usually one of them. We're going to be

on those and we're going to be on them

with the Ringer Gambling Show as well.

So, a little extra little extra market

share.

>> A great way to spend your Sunday

morning. All we do is we have winners.

>> It's 11:00 a.m. this week, though. We're

starting early. 11. It's a two hour

show. 11 a.m.

>> Why can't we start at 10

>> all the way to kickoff?

>> Fine.

>> Yeah.

>> Start at 9:30. I'm here. We're doing

We're doing the games. We're trying to

give out winners.

>> There's a good chance I'll be sitting in

some airport watching it because my

flight's been delayed for 19 hours. You

might have to host guest lines with uh

with

>> just come down to DC. You can have a

great time. That might that might that

might have to do that actually.

>> Come see come see cornheiser. We'll have

a great time together.

>> Cornheiser. He's never leaving.

>> Leaving what?

>> He just signed again.

>> Why? Why would he? It's a great life.

>> He's been telling us he was going to

retire for 10 years.

>> He plays golf and he does the show. It's

a great life. I I really

>> Do you have any farewell thoughts for

ESPN Bet?

>> Oh, is it gone?

>> It's gone.

>> Oh,

>> they're wrapping up.

>> They tried. They tried. Best of luck.

>> Too late to the party.

>> Little bit late.

>> Yeah, they they uh it's a wrap. Okay.

Anything else before we go?

>> Nothing.

>> Okay.

>> Some great golf in Europe.

>> Great golf in Europe.

>> Well, it's actually it's the DP World

Tour that is playing in their race to

the whatever cup. Uh I think they're in

the Middle East. They are in the Middle

East. They're playing somewhere in

Dubai. But all the best guys are

playing. The entire Ryder Cup team for

Europe is playing.

>> Ah, the team you won.

>> John Rom

and Tyr.

>> Yeah, it was your team. Those are your

guys.

>> Yep.

>> All right. House.

>> Good times.

>> So you my favorite NBA trade that I came

up with was which one?

>> What was the last one?

>> Well, I honestly

>> Kobe Kobe Jones Kobe White.

>> No, I I I like um John Morant to Miami

better.

>> That should So that was the chalk one.

Makes a lot of sense.

>> It's a winner.

>> Beautiful content. All right. See you,

House.

>> All right, that's it for the podcast.

Thanks to House and Gal and Eduardo as

well. I am going to hopefully have a

podcast

on Sunday, flying back on Sunday to the

West Coast. Is this going to be a good

idea with what's going on with airports

right now? We're about to find out. So,

if you see me Sunday night, I'll be

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