Izzy Hammond Opens Up: Richards Daughter Reveals Life Growing Up With Top Gear

would you get in a car when you were younger with your dad oh my gosh yeah we've done handbreak turns around roundabouts sorry I knew that's incredibly illegal and you might have to

cut that out I have never actually watched toet idot bagging yes I've known Jeremy and James my my whole life James to me is almost like

one of my uncles I guess Uncle James Uncle James how you idiot man it's quite weird growing up with that and that being his job what was that like did you ever find that frustrating your dad saying that he didn't think

that he was around a lot it seems to be is almost making up for a little bit of lost time do you see it that way you kind of thought that was what you going to fall into did you have any idea no

you get really used to being looked at they're obviously looking at rich but I'm stood next to him so they're looking at me by proxy you are very much aware that there are eyes on you there's enough for you to see that

it's a alarm things like the crash which must have had like quite a significant impact on you I was actually in the car with my

mom when we got the call we had one call from Andy Wilman saying what happened but very much like it's okay it's fine but this has happened then it's when

Jeremy then called and well thank you for making me a cup of tea this morning you gave me a lecture straight away when I asked for a couple of sugars and then told me that you'd only made that change two days ago

as it's I think it's the second of Jan so yeah cuz new year new me you know well I'm I'm not changing my sugar in my tea however thank you for joining me in

the back of the van Studio we're outside the smallest Cog this morning it's absolutely freezing so thank God that we've got some heating but the first question that I like to post that every

guest that sits in the seat opposite me is Izzy in your own words who are you and what do you do that's a great question I love that um I'm Izzy Hammond

I I guess I'm a content creator these days in the automotive world I tend to say I drive cars and I Yap um that's kind of my job really and then I also do

a bit of podcasting like yourself um I talk about men's mental health With My Father which is good fun but yeah I do a bit of everything really that's a topic that I'm sure would confuse pretty much

anyone to be honest with you yeah it's pretty random I think if anyone looked at mine they'd come out with a pretty blank face wondering what to say about it no matter what someone thinks you must have grown up absolutely surrounded

by car yeah no definitely yeah my whole life has been sort of I mean they've just always been there but I guess because they've always been there I haven't noticed them until more recently

I think because my dad getting Top Gear like the timeline is exactly the same as me being born so he got the job when I was one I think um you know got the big

phone calls saying you've got the job tears champagne all of that and from then it just that's a lot to remember at one yeah I was just I was there in my high chair with my little glass no it

wasn't I had no idea um but yeah I guess they just have run synonymously so as his career has gone on I've sort of grown up and as the jobs got bigger and surrounded his life more it's surrounded

my life more and it's all I've ever known really cuz I guess I get questions a lot you know what's it like growing up with a famous dad or like a TV presenter dad and the honest truth is I just don't

know any different it's what I've always known and we've kind of I guess we've navigated it together cuz he's never done it before he came from you know

like a very normal life in Birmingham with two brothers he has no idea um so I guess we kind of learned together which has been quite nice did you enjoy that side of things growing up though you

said you didn't know any different but did did you ever get frustrated by having that as kind of your experience with friends that maybe had it slightly different from from your perspective not

someone looking in what what was that like did you ever find that frustrating I think we're really lucky because where we come from we I mean you've been to visit now harage sh it's the middle of

nowhere um so I don't know you didn't really have the whole people trying to be your friend for the wrong reason I've never really experienced that I don't think um but I guess more in the sense

that sometimes you'd see you know families go bowling let's say or you know go for lunch or go for supper all together and that's just not something that we could do and I guess when I was

younger I didn't really get that and when you're walking around the streets and people are you get really used to being looked at and that sounds a bit odd because they're not looking at me

they're obviously looking at rich but I'm stood next to him so they're looking at me by proxy if you get what I mean but it's just that constant you are very much aware that there are eyes on you so

I guess you learn how to behave quite quickly as a child I was very kindly invited to drive tide live in the summer which is where I first ever got to see didn't get a minute to talk even though

everyone was upstairs in the room and I went there um with my friends too that day however I could clearly see and it's really nice when I have a guest on that I've been able to watch some of their

past or like be able to refer to some of their past or have seen things it's not just like a fresh start from here today in the and I did notice at that day like just watching how um if father had to

move around that event was was an eye opener to me because I've been friends with some very famous YouTubers for argument sake that are doing very well in that space but that was just like a whole another level that I've never seen

before and it did make me think of you and it made me think like wow I understand now you've said it that that's all you've ever known but is that actually like enjoyable so like where where did you get your happiest moments

growing up where was the most enjoyment where did that come from that's a good question um there's probably probably a lot in there probably actually are like quite a

few memories in cars there's I we had this old Defender that had it's always Defenders isn't it turned up in a Defender this morning just yeah just live and breathe Defenders no that we

had this old Defender um that we used to drive around in and it had three seats in the front so me and my sister could sit with my dad all in the front which was always really sweet and I remember

he took us once to Toys R Us and we bought you know those like electric little Jeep things the tiny ones that you sit in when you're like eight and we went and bought them and we put them in

the back of the car and we drove home and it was just the most exciting Day Ever CU me and wills my sister were going to get to do what he did and obviously drove them I mean I could parallel park at 6 I can't now but I

could at 6 um and I guess it's kind of it must I always think it must be frustrating for my mom because probably some of my happiest memories are ironically with my dad because he wasn't

there that much because he was filming and that's the biggest thing for me like when people say what was it like him doing his job when you're growing up the fact is it just meant he wasn't there a lot and that's all I really knew growing

up was just he went away to work you know like the when they did the North Pole was it the South Pole it was one of the polls they did um that special I

think he was gone for over a month and that was he wasn't meant to be gone for a month their I think their plane couldn't take off because it was too icy or whatever and I didn't know that he was on a dog sled like camping in the

middle of I didn't know that I just knew that he was away um so I guess I must be kind of frustrated for my mom because then my happiest memories a lot of them are when the rare moments that he's home

and I got to spend with him um but yeah I mean I'm not this is sounding like I had some awful childhood I really didn't at all um and I think my parents were really good at navigating cuz they

didn't I mean they had no idea what was going to happen but they were very good at sort of dri feeding information so we'd know a bit what he was doing but not enough to worry us because most of

the time they were doing stupid stuff that we really shouldn't know about I think it's really nice that you kind of say to everyone else like don't worry like I'm not saying that I didn't have a nice growing up but I I do understand

especially from everybody that I speak to what's fascinating when you get to sit down with someone in the in the van is their life's very different from their perspective to what it is from someone else's perspective looking in

and you might have things that you'd have never even thought of or you know a million people would have never considered that is actually something that was really profound for you growing up and I did actually read but you got to be so careful with what you read when

you do when you do guest research and for your episode it was completely different because the sources that were coming up were much less reliable than normal ones but I did actually read things like um your dad saying that he

didn't think that he was around a lot when you were growing up Etc but obviously you can see now that the time that you're spending together the videos that you're making speaking for Drive tribe the podcast all the rest of it it

seems to be that it's almost making up for a little bit of lost time it seems do you see it that way yeah definitely I think that's kind of the best whe that's what we both say I think is the best

part of being able to work together now is like you said I'm I'm kind of getting to know him in a really different way which I actually think is quite Universal for people when you get into

your 20s because obviously you become an adult within your own right you move out you have your own life and I find like we've spoken about this before on the podcast with a couple of guests you kind

of you almost like reintroduce to your parents as fellow adults and like I remember really thinking oh they're actually doing life for the first time as well that makes a lot of sense

they're not because they when you grow when you're growing up they're like the Oracle they're like everything they know everything they have all the answers and then I guess you get a little bit older and you realize they really don't they don't really know what they're doing that's a really unique perspective

actually well and I think for me obviously I'm lucky because I work so closely with him and he I can go to him for advice on so much professionally because he's done it before and he done

it quite well so he's quite a good one to go to but yeah it's just really and like you said just spending time together it's really nice but what was life like for you growing up that aside

what was the things that you enjoyed what was shaping you and molding you growing up because now you can see that the passion that you have for all things automotive and understanding and learning and figuring out and tinkering

and yapping and all those sorts of things that are in your DNA are bursting out whether you've suppressed them for years or not but who were you between like like your earliest years like

between when you can first start to have like Memories in maybe like 10 gosh um I think I've always been a very outdoorsy person like I said we live in the middle

of nowhere so it's always been loads of animals so been I think riding horses since I was about three three maybe and proper like Fearless three-year-old like

would jump on My Little shatam Pony and just go for it um yeah always outside I just I love chaos really to be honest um

and I guess growing up with actually more than like top it was Brainiac a show that he did years ago where we used to have they did a lot of the filming at home so I just remember

there being like people everywhere all the time big cameras a lot of blo cuz that was when media was very bloky um so just everywhere and just Carnage and I

just loved it as like a little kid it was just for me that was the best thing ever so I guess people like growing up around a lot of people um and because the way I kind of fell into what I'm

doing now was kind of random I did I got a drama scholarship to my senior school so for me I thought that was going to be the way forward I did like the whole so

you confident growing up then um yeah I think so confident in weird ways I think confident I used to yeah if you put me on a stage I'd kind of love it i' I'm

bit like my dad I like being a center of attention I don't know if you can tell um but then quite anxious in other ways I think socially sometimes quite anxious um but in yeah in front of a big group

of people like that I'd be fine so I did the whole drama scholarship thing and then I guess got to sort of 16 and you become a teenager and then suddenly you're a bit like Oh No actually that's

a bit terrifying I don't think I want to do that and then got a little bit more shy I think as teenager and then so instead I went down the writing route so both my parents are writers really they

have both written a book together and write their own things um so then I did English as a degree because I kind of thought that was what I was going to fall into but but up to there you said that you kind of thought that was what

you're going to fall into did you have any idea no honestly no I I didn't have an interest in in this world I didn't really I didn't really think I

had an interest in cars I think I must have deeped down just because I've been around them my whole life and they've shaped my life so much but it's not I didn't consciously think gosh I love

these vehicles there was a video I was watching on the way here it actually stopped when I got to hure and my phone signal went to like one bar but it was posted yesterday on Drive tribe and it

was you and your dad out in the mini which is completely Frozen just behind us against the fence out on track and he looked with the most genuine undramatic and cars a because it meant

that your dad wasn't always around because of it but also things like the crash which must have had like the first one which must have had like quite a sign ific impact on you and the family

growing up yeah that's a good question and it was something that I did think about um a few years ago I don't think I had resentment towards it I just think it was something that just wasn't for me

that was his job that was his thing and for me it was just cars were the thing like you said that took him away from home um and that meant he was working um and I guess with

the crash for me obviously the crash affected all of Us in varying different ways I think I was seven um and it more

so not just the crash it was more the recovery I think that really was the thing that affected us as a family because he was everyone talks about the crash and how it was massive

and scary but it was more that he was absolutely do for months and months afterwards he was just not with it at all and so I just

have a lot of it's almost like gaps in memory of him as a dad cuz for a long time he just wasn't he was barely a human like he could barely function and so he was trying to relearn how to be a

human being let alone be a father figure so I guess that was just time but for me the biggest thing that I think is like locked in my head from the crash is

whenever cuz I've started driving on track a little bit now I've seen you out with Abby yeah and I love it but in my head I just do have this knowledge that

things do go wrong wrong and they can go wrong because I've seen it go wrong and okay they're very different he was in a a jet car going I don't know nearly 300 miles hour he's crashed in other things

too he has he he's done a lot of that but for me it's just this I know it can go wrong so there's always that little bit of trepidation I guess um but yeah I

don't it never made me I never hated cars I just guess I guess it was like yeah they took him away from me and nearly took him away from me for good so and it's it's really difficult that what

you say because I I've experienced um my mom lost her dad that was my granddad that was a very prolonged experience I'm sure anybody listening that's lost family and probably has lost family has

experienced different ways of kind of losing them and my my mom lost my Grandad in very prolonged period over years and it was horrible like the decline of his health but where when I

lost my dad it was instantaneous unknown just one day experience and but if I was in a position which is completely almost different which is what you're saying which is like you're in this limbo which

you just don't have a clue what's going on I can imagine that's just hell you just we all when some when someone's ill or hurt you just want answers don't you all you wants answers all the times it sounds like that was a period of life

where there just wasn't many answers yeah and I think when obviously like I said I mean I was only seven so ironically I have the most ridiculous memories from it so my mom used to

change my birthday quite a lot because the so my birthday September and they would always start filming Top Gear in September so they always be on track

like it was quite a brutal schedule so my mom would just change my birthday cuz I mean what do I know I'm like five six seven years old I just know if my mom says it's my birthday tomorrow it's it's my birthday tomorrow so she'd move it

back or forward to make sure that he was there and it was one of the years where variable birthday I think that's the first time I've ever heard that what a good idea C so she'd moved it that year

I think she'd pushed it back a little bit cuz he was filming which meant he had the crash and then like a day or so later it was what I thought was my birthday and obviously we weren't told

what happened to him because no one really knew he was in a coma at that point so I just have this ridiculously spoiled brat memory of waking up and going downstairs and being like well where is everyone it's my birthday like

this day is all about me and obviously there was no one there because I think I had my grandparents there and then they were obviously all in the hospital with him but little six seven-year-old me was like guys what's going on it's my

birthday and then I remember having a little mini birthday party in the hospital up in Leeds because my mom was trying to keep things as normal as possible for me and my sister BL and there was like all my little cousins and

I was like amazing all my cousins are here and I'm like why are all my cousins here and it's like oh because their dads are like in the room with my dad like making sure he's like hoping he's going

to be okay little seven-year-old me is like this is amazing my cousins are here um so that was a bit weird like it's kind of warped the memory that I have and then obviously he was in hospital for a while so what you're saying is it

didn't really get real until a few weeks after yeah and I guess because no one knew what was happening like he was in a coma his vitals weren't brilliant no one

knew what was going to happen so everyone was just trying to yeah keep it as normal as possible and then obviously he came out of the coma and he was okay and and then it was yeah it was a long

recovery but then now he's fine and how how would you deal with that um growing up because you've mentioned like your mom's obviously a huge part of your life and she's always there as been there as you're constant by the sound of things

and you've got your sister right as well but what would like friends like who were the kind of friends that you developed with growing up were they also like outdoorsy people you all riding horses together have you managed to

maintain this group of friends or do you find yourself when you become more of a content creator and you're doing things suddenly being friends way more with people that live on the other side of the UK like Dy with her Land Rover and

stuff like that do you find it's changed quite a bit for you I think I'm I'm really lucky CU like I said where I grew up we're all very close we're all still very close I live in London with two

people that I've grown up with you live in London I live in London I thought your whole personal brand and personality is he is based around this little country pumpkin that trots around

heran so what a revelation what's that like coming from the country to the city say burst the bubble um no I I always wanted to go to London I think a lot of people that come from Tiny Places in the

middle of nowhere love them but also would quite like to leave them at some point for a little bit so yeah I been in London for just over a year now um but

to be honest I do I spend most of my time here CU like the workshops here my cars that I have now and love working on here so I'm often here I just spend my life on the M4 really just going back

and forward what and you do really enjoy that kind of City lifestyle from being in the country so I I hate it I can't do it we drive this van into the City and try and find somewhere to park up and I'm like get me out of here and back to the

cows I I quite like having both I think I've literally got the dream like to be able to go in and out I think is is great yeah well you mentioned that you spend a lot of your time here and that's because a lot of the work that you've

been doing recently and gets posted is with drivve Drive I've been really enjoying seeing you and previous guest of the podcast Mr Mike Fernie have this relationship that I can't really

describe but it's like brother and sister a little bit and I kind of see the banter in that way and I absolutely love the video where you both went to Clarkson's Farm in the morning just completely gave up on it like this is

rubbish and then just went down um to ma Pub do you remember the first time that you ever did your first kind of motorin video or something with driv

tribe good question I think it was probably the pickup truck video video well there was a couple I did one pickup truck video like years and years ago where I was sat in the front and Willow

was sat in the back and we weren't allowed to speak because the whole idea was that we're these like Moody teenagers um and Rich was kind of showing off in this pickup truck so the

whole time we just had to have our headphones in and like look down and just pretend to be really moody and I remember there was so many comments and people say like oh my gosh like why are they so rude like why are they not

speaking I was like guys this is not real this is not real at all um but since then a couple of years later I then drove a similar pickup truck um

just in our fields and this is the first time I driven something quick like with a lot of power behind it and so we were just in the field and Rich was like do

you want do you want e some donuts or something and I was like yeah like why not I mean I've i' literally never done that before I've never like played around with a car obviously I'm like d

Ren like car since I was 17 but I've never like played with them like I've seen him do and seen like other people do um so we just gave it AO and I was like yeah no this is sick little gine I

want to do this every day um maybe that was the moment I think it might have been and also yeah I guess yeah just being having the confidence to do it it's quite I always find it's quite easy

to have the confidence when he's sat next to me because not only is he very good in the automotive World he's done quite well and has driven a lot but he's also just my dad so if your dad sitting next to you it does give you that

confidence to like give it a go and for me what's nice with Drive tribe now is I'm feeling that confidence when I'm on my own and there was like you said with that track Day video that we just filmed

with the two of us I for quite a bit of the video was on track on my own in the car and I've never done that I've never been on track alone completely and I

felt just as confident even like maybe even more confident now because I'm like okay I've got my own thoughts I can do this to back myself is that from the moment you leave the pits cuz with any track with me I always get that thing

where I'm like I'm going down the pit Lane I'm like right here we go right don't no mistakes and the second I cross that white line and get up into like thir it's like gone it's like that sense of fear was just gone is that like can

you relate to that yeah definitely and I guess having well I say definitely I'm still very much a a beginner um and that's something I really want to stress

you looked Furious when he beat your time on track in that video I and I tell you why obviously he was going to beat me he has a lot more experience than I

do but he had just done his practices and then was it was fresh in his like he just done some hot laps and then I got out the car and he did his time so it was fresh it'd be like a good hour since

I'd been in there then I had to go and just do mine so I was bit like I feel like that's a bit unfair does that make you genuinely now like want to be I'm so competitive

and a lot more competitive than he is he really isn't he actually doesn't he's he'd probably rather I beat him in that cuz then he could be super proud whereas otherwise he's just like he's never been

a particularly competitive person ever I don't know where it comes from I'm like insanely competitive like I will think about that for a long time the fact that I lost but you mentioned just before

because we're talking about how you got there onto the camera of Drive tribe driving around um a track you actually mentioned that the first video you appeared in which I remember which is in the back of a pickup truck but earlier

you said how you learned that or your Insight of parents are also doing it for the first time so the three of the boys obviously at the start founded Drive

tribe and it's now very much um your dad is taken over a lot of that now but those videos that they were posting for the first time there's a comment section on YouTube and it's very visible like

all the years of TV whether it be for Amazon or BBC or whoever there's no like comment section under the TV on the phones they used to

mention letters and stuff in a jokey way but it gets very real when you see what kind of people start to comment how did you take when people would comment on those initial vide Because by the way it doesn't matter whether it's you or

anyone I've noticed the first time anyone appears on a channel that viewers are used to seeing somebody else on people hate change and they just go no go away it's happened to me on Friends channels it's happened to lots and then

eventually people just get a little what was that like to deal with when you could see that s thing the first time um yeah that's such a good way of putting it as well because like you said they

didn't really have to deal with that they didn't really have the whole social media thing that we have now I think I find YouTube's actually quite nice like people on YouTube are actually really

great the place I really don't like is Tik Tok I find Tik Tok terrifying yeah um so I don't really I don't post on there I don't want anything do with that

Instagram is can kind of it's okay um I'm I don't really look at comments if I'm honest I just don't it's not going to help me it's just going to make me sad but most of the time people are

really nice I've noticed this strange thing I don't know whether it's right or not could even be backed up by data but the higher retention based the video is for the Tik Tok generation the more

negativity it seems to come and drive tribe videos sit in this kind of field between being really relaxed and kind of

old school filming and Modern Age EO High retention text on the screen every two seconds to make sure the graph flattens out like that maybe because it sits there you get kind of the 5050

effect but have you been did you think that you would get more push back just because it's so easy to be like oh she's only on there because did you think there'd be more than what there has been

yeah definitely 100% And I think every time I we put a video out I'm I I can never gauge whether it's going to like which way it's going to go and sometimes

people are so lovely like in insanely nice and I'm I'm a bit like really do you really think that I mean I'm I'm really not that great I'm really not um and then sometimes you get the other 50%

which is yeah a lot of you get a lot of nepo baby stuff a lot of why are you here why are you doing this which like is so understandable you know you have a right to comment whatever you like but

um it's interesting what videos that happens on and what videos that doesn't happen on and I can't but it's like it's like why Mike Fernie is so good at what he does like he's like a YouTube genius

he just knows and understands how YouTube works and the algorithms and what makes things do well and what doesn't and I just I don't get it I just

I do my thing I do my driving I do my chatting and I just let people you can think what you want well a little insight for like the whole audience and you I guess but I'm sure Mike's explained it but like for a YouTube

video to do well for it to achieve any views like doesn't matter if the Channel's got 2 million subscribers like drivve tribe it's literally about the first people that click on that video how many of them get to the end of the

video if it can see on the retention graph there's your there's your box and for people listening if you just imagine like a box with a straight line going across it the straighter the line and the higher up it is on the graph the

better the video is going to do so that's someone coming in and getting to the end right if someone comes in and it goes down at an angle like that that's

people falling off really quickly that then leads to less minutes watch that then leads to less watch time per viewer the video doesn't get pushed as much so

when a video does 300K or 400k or a million views it's because a lot of those viewers there is other tiny little factors that come into it as well but it's because a lot of those viewers are

getting to the end of the video so then you you can put more ads on them and earn more money so a video really will only perform so it's like it's all well and good someone saying that video is

only doing well because so and so is some so and so okay that might result in a click initially but no one else would see it if YouTube didn't want to give it to them so people will only have videos

that do well if people actually watch them from the start to the finish and if you're going to get someone in this day and age with a Tik Tok generation to give you 20 minutes of their time to watch a p P of content of you yapping or

screaming and thinking right this is getting eye pitched now whatever they had to have watched it as my point to the end or most of that video and you're only going to give us someone that time if you actually find the content

enjoyable it's such a complicated world isn't it why do we do it well that's the question because I guess that the next thing I was going to ask is you brushed off there very good at brushing

everything off but you brushed off there and use the word Neo baby and you've seen comments like that where was the first time that you had to be kind of

tough and and learn to deal with that kind of thing you brushed it off as it as if it was nothing but is it nothing um honestly yeah I

don't I it's it's just such a difficult one I don't know what it's like I don't know what to say like what what do you want me to do you know when like these people are commenting that do you want me to stop okay how's that going to I

don't think that's going to solve anything I know how lucky I am I know how lucky I am to have been born into the world that I've been born into and I'm incredibly grateful for that but

for me it's like if I have a passion in the same thing that my dad has a passion for why wouldn't I give it a go and I think like my dad talks about the luck thing all the time it was luck that got

him his job and it was luck that got him the opportunities but he was the one that made those opportunities stick and he used the luck to get him where he is now and that's exactly what I want to do

I want to use my luck and see if I can make it work and if I can't I can't and that's fine but I'm going to give it a go and I'm sorry people if you don't like that but I'm I'm going to try but you make your own good luck at the

end of the day as well by giving things a go do you vary much what's the difference between like you your sister and your mom um so my sister is horses

she is M so we both obviously grew up riding horses um it's like having Land Rovers isn't it it's like it's like you can't get planning permission to live in arure if you don't have a Andro defender

or horse horse it's yeah it's slightly ridiculous um and like I'm lucky to live in this little bubble of the world because it is so ridiculously sort of

idilic it's insane um but yeah my sister is horse mad we're kind of split down the middle so my mom and my sister horses and then me and my dad cars um

yeah it's a pretty interesting Dynamic but yeah know she's all horses she works with horses she's at Uni studying horses and that's the world she wants to go

into have you had your scariest experiences on four wheels or four legs um probably four legs yeah cuz they've got their own

brains you struggle to get on the or I struggle to get in cars honestly I want to show everyone watching this photo that I I screenshotted on the way up

here whilst watching a video because anyone that grew up like me thankful for the fact that the trio existed and take your minds off rubbish and the world and everything could just enthral yourself

in pleasure watching TV of stupidity most of the time well know that Hammond's not that big and I've got this screenshot here when they swap positions but is that because the seat of your

mini is so far forward and so far up honestly so we so when we did the mini day we had so the first mini day we did

with Abby Eaton and on the same day we did the McLaren video as well you know just to keep cost down you know it's a clever way of thinking thank you Mike ferie so we did both on the same day and

so it was the first time I'd driven my mini since we'd done all the mods to it because Rich was the one that took it out um with the napag I didn't so this is my first time driving it since it

been souped up buzzing already all the cameras are set helmets are on getting in the car I sit on the seat I am nowhere near the pedals I and I mean like My toe is not even touching them

and my hands can't reach the steering wheel and I just looked at I I was like what we can what we going to do here take everything out the McLaren guys had brought three like engineer like mechanics with them in case the I've

heard they do the beautiful McLaren breaks we had these amazing guys that are used to working on like these beautiful cars come fill with my mini and have to yank my mini seat forward

because it got lodged the wrong way there three of them they're like upside down in this mini like legs flying out the window yanking the seat forward we get as for like far forward as we can I sit in it I still can't reach so then

I'm going around the crew and getting them all to take it's freezing by the way we're in Wales they all have to take all their jackets off and their jumpers and I have to sit on like a pile maybe six like under behind just so I can

reach and then CU obviously it's a bucket seat and they're not actually in the bucket so it's the most uncomfortable I'm just flung across the car because I'm just too cars weren't

built for me cars were not built for me well maybe minis back in the day but if you're experienc in a mini that's kind of too small there is really going to be a bit of a challenge my first car was a

mini and I had to have a booster seat every single time I drove it at the age of 17 so that was pretty embarrassing that's pretty um yes yeah it's not great good do you watch that content after it

goes live and then who do you watch it with and do you share the videos with your family when you done who watches it and tells you what's that like um well I I tend to watch it before it goes out

and make sure it's all right I just sort of say yeah looks good to me I don't know um I don't know I don't really I don't really share it with friends and

stuff I think maybe like my closest friends will watch it like purely for support I guess and just like I would support them with what they do as a job

but other than that no I think I kind of cuz I guess when you make that transition from like you actually go for it with the content creating you've always got that in the back of your head

like is this going to be embarrassing like are my friends going to think what are you doing like that's so cringy why are you doing that so I guess I don't I didn't want to like Scream and Shout

about it to start with whereas now I'm kind of getting into it a bit more I'm enjoying it a bit more and I've kind of gone over that line of like actually I don't care this is embarrassing I love it and I want to do it and I want to

continue day it so I'm just going to go with it will you ever get a photo on a Sunday night thing through on WhatsApp or something and you don't go like watching it yeah yeah every so often every so often but people are so lovely

people are always so positive about it you know like the people that I know so I'm just going to carry on until they're not so growing up when it comes to watching content was there like did you

have the big Sunday night sit round for every episode with the family kind of thing did did that happen or not we really didn't really didn't I have never

actually watched Top Gear I've never watched yeah I've seen this I've seen a couple of specials same with the grand tour I've seen all of The Grand Tour I've seen The Grand Tour um what you

think the difference is the both when they're posted timeline of years um what do you mean as a as a you been younger when to was on yeah I think so

um and honestly like I was I know it's not directed at boys and it is technically a family show and you know it's it had the 800 p.m slot on a Sunday

so it had to be family but I do think it was very much more a boy thing and I think that's probably more reflective of the car World in general and that it was it's only now I guess increasingly

becoming more open to girls but I think yeah all my boy mates would always watch top gear but my girl mates wouldn't and and if we're in public the people coming up to Rich it's always it's boys would

you have to say to your boy mates would they ask when you were growing what's the next special where did they go what was that like how would you answer that would you be like I just don't know I don't know like all I know

is the call started with this yeah I think I'd sort of just play it off I guess I it was a lot of the times it would be um yeah where are they going on the next special and most of the time I didn't know um but if I did know

sometimes yeah I'll share some Secrets why not yeah you're not contracted for anything is it yeah I don't STI because we're going to we're going to open that door that's a great question because obviously Ben Collins has now come into

what is that noise oh is it a truck all right I was like is that the heater going away I was like is that the heater is it coming through Man Slightly however I think it

adds to the ambience that there's a noise of a truck outside cuz it's all hustling and bustling was actually told that health and safety are coming to visit the smallest Cog today so I think that's why everybody is kind of in on

their desk cuz that's happening but you just mentioned like yeah I know who the STI was luckily we've got to know I got to know Ben Collins and um one of the best days of my existence was when he

invited me to drive the original blue Suzuki lyana around the Top Gear track against my friend Matt head-to-head and like you're there like oh this is like hallow ground like like just just

bending down like this on the line like taking in everything the smells like more senses when you're in somewhere that you've admired like that but is that true Did You Know The Gang growing up did you like have that experience

around them where would you see them like was there like a Christmas party or I get the sense they wouldn't all go to it together um yeah I

knew Ben growing up a bit but I didn't know that he is the stick so he I I think this is true and he's going to have to tell me if it's not but I think

he had one of our kittens so we had a cat that had a load of kittens and I think he had one of the kittens um so he like came to the house and picked up and whatever and I just knew him as Ben but I had no idea that he was a stick but I

do remember going to the track um when they were filming like their I'm going to call it that green room but it was just the it's like a dodgy just sort of shed I've seen

the buildings that they they are literally falling to pieces and they always were um and the Stig had a little room and I always remember this little

room and it was just terrifying it was probably smaller than this van and it was just completely blacked out and there were bars on the on on the window so no one cuz obviously they had a live

audience so no one could they wanted to make sure no one could see in and yeah he always had to wear his helmet constantly and yeah I remember that but I yeah I mean well I've known Jeremy and

James my my whole life um do you like them I do yeah and Jeremy has um Jeremy has three kids and so when we were all younger we used to see the kids all the

time and yeah I've like I said I've known them for a very long time so they've always been sort of weirdly part of my life I guess and you seem to have that relationship with James from videos that I've seen that you don't mind

giving him a prod in the side either I'm but always yeah yeah James yeah James to me is almost like one of my uncles I guess Uncle James unle James what do you watch the content that he kind of do

because it's quite funny in the sense that everyone's just been sucked into the world of YouTube where he's now do got his planet of gin Channel and I think it's Lucy that helps him out running that who is maybe ex Drive tribe

my right saying so it's all kind of come from that family doing it what content do you actually watch what is it that you turn on the TV and put on God that's I actually this is really bad I'm really

not a big TV Watcher um I'm a proper like Comfort show Person do you know what I mean so I'll just get on Netflix and I'll just reruns of friends let me

watch that for the 17th time um yeah I'm just not a big I'm not a big Watcher I like to be busy I like to be really busy and I'm kind of go insane if I'm not busy why do you think you never watched

that show Growing Up was it CU you heard about each one before it actually went out with the Top Gear ones I think I just think it was just not something that would interest me I know that

sounds really bad but I I do think it was much more Steed towards boys and I didn't play with little Hot Wheels when I was younger I didn't go go-karting for

my birthday so I it's not Cars just weren't for me would you ever watch any of the other stuff though because say when you've only got like an hour where you're trying to talk to someone about everything and you love cars you just want to get all the car questions out

constantly but I remember one of my favorite videos I've ever seen your dad was actually on a shipping container and he was he was on this giant boat and he was talking about the world of shipping okay would any of that stuff would you

ever watch those kind of documentaries yeah actually that's the stuff we would sit down and watch together because those tend to be the things that he was really proud of and really like put a lot not that he wasn't proud of toet

please don't get me wrong but that thing was going on for years and that was just kind of your every day I guess whereas some of like engineering connections and all of that kind of stuff he yeah he put

a lot into and was really proud of them and wanted us to see them and so then yeah of course we would watch down sit down and watch it all together um so those I watched and like Brainiac like I

said he loved like loved Brainiac um and I just remember our swiming pool being filled with custard and genuinely one of my earliest memories tell me about that such you want the heater on as well

again I'm okay you're right I've got my fluffy Uggs on I okay um yeah I just remember we had a really like old swimming pool at the top of a hill that

was like green and disgusting and they for some kind of you know in the name of science I guess filled it with custard and I I mean filled it to the brim because the idea was can you walk across

it and that you can if you want to know you can walk across custard um yeah and I just remember and it's quite weird growing up with that and that being his job like that that's work that's my

point that's what I'm trying to get an Insight of you spoke about like your girl mates your boy mates growing up and like conversations like we're talking now about you give them an insight into the videos but like I'm picturing this

like conversation somewhere one day whether it be with whoever friends of just like yeah my dad did this Dad did that yeah I got home my dad was walking across a pool of custard yeah pretty

weird yeah is it weird having to say that to people when it's so different from the stuff that you get to hear do you ever feel like it connects creates a little bit of a rift

not a rift I guess but yeah it is odd when most people's parents have proper jobs like normal jobs and mine's just

just doesn't there's a fantastic uh guy that I've had in the back of the B called Colin fur um he's huge on YouTube 30 million subscribers and he's an

inventor right and like honestly for his his kids growing up like it's just oh yeah dad like built a ring of fire at the weekend or like filled a car with water and like drove

it down the road and it was like slushing out to the side and it very much it's so funny because YouTube nowadays people think there's Concepts and ideas that are new and they pretty

much are but in some way shape or form they do go back they they take something from those early TV shows like growing up when we were all younger like everyone at the minute is obsessed

rebuilding crash damaged cars I'm completely sure that as much as you guys have been tinkering and modifying and changing bits I'm waiting for the first one to appear on the drive drive Channel at some point don't but again that harks

back to almost like Wheeler Dealers trading up and people don't make that connection with the crash damage thing but it is actually it is actually there crazy like coming home pool of custard

what what a child are day yeah I know it was interesting and I guess it's not until you get a little bit older and you have a bit of hindsight that you realize that it wasn't quite normal um but it was fun is there anything that you would have

done differently growing up because you went to University in Bristol right and there was that was when you studying English yes are you happy with like all of that or is there anything that you would tell izy 10 years ago to have gone

and got stuck into or done slightly different though honestly I would have made my parents take me go-karting and I

would have gone down racing route like I would love to be in the women's series now but I'm too old cuz I'm 24 so it's kind of too late for me but honestly if I could actually tell like 10-year-old

me I'd say go and get an a go-kart that's so funny she made that connection earlier with like um the boys come up to my dad because it's the boys that go in that direction first young it's completely true like literally just true

and the girls tend to go towards the horses and all the rest of it but no doubt you've literally done this thing where you like yep horses cars and gone straight to them that enjoyment that you see on the TV was that when you were

like in the car with Abby not that long ago then that that kind of spark ignited yeah I think so I like I said I'm really lucky this year with Drive tribe just being able to drive so many different

cars like from pickup trucks to the Subaru and the Evo and the mini is probably my favorite thing I've done this year just because it's I'm I'm I'm

getting the time to get to know this car even being on track for I've done two track days in it now and even that time by the end of the first day I was like yeah I love this and I I know I can get

better at this and this is a craft that I could I could hone this craft and get good at it so that's why I'm saying I wish I'd had those feelings when I was like 10 and I could do it in a go-kart

and then I could work my way up and then I I mean I'd love to be in the women's series now it's just too late you said earlier about like having the the whole crash thing in the back of your mind is that the case when you're actually on

track thinking about where your Breakin zone is is it still in there or is it in the pit Lane it's probably more yeah like in the pit lane and then when I'm on track I'm I'm just very much I was

going to say D do you think it makes a difference your time or do you think you forget when you hit them I I think I probably do forget once I'm actually in the car and then also it's very personal when it's just you in the car you kind of don't really think about anyone or

anything else it's just you in the car would you get in a car when you were younger with your dad oh my gosh yeah oh my gosh we've done handbreak turns around roundabouts sorry I know that's

incredibly illegal you might have to cut that out but we have yeah he's an idiot would you call him a little bit idiot or Daredevil where does Where's the Line

idiot is that do you think that's why he ended up being the stigma of the the crash guy of the three there was the slow one the buffoon and and the Crasher

he has that thing that um racing drivers have where they just yeah and they just don't have the fear they don't have that everyone has that line where it's like okay I know where the line is he just

doesn't have that and I mean that and that's not me obviously he's an idiot but also he really genuinely would just go and go and go Mr Matt Armstrong I thinking of you right now because I've

seen it in my friend like you can almost see like you know when you take a photo with a camera and there's sometimes a little red dot in someone's eye like that happens when they're out on the track it's insane and he's and he is a

very good driver obviously he's been doing it for a long time but he just yeah he has never lost even with the amount of crashes that he's had two of which were really quite bad he has has

not lost that and I think it just it stems from a love for cars and for driving and he wants to push the limit always was that second crash that you

refer to the two big one was that the rimac one yeah so for me in the moment the rimac one was a lot worse because I

was 17 I think and I was actually in the car with my mom when we got the call that he' crashed and not again so it was

yeah Lally come on Rich um but no cuz obviously it was on like speaker phone in the car and we had one call from I think maybe Andy Wilman maybe

saying what happened but very much like it's okay it's fine but this has happened he spun off a mountain the car's on fire but it's fine everything's

fine um and then it's when Jeremy then called and That Was Then a little bit more scary cuz it was like Jeremy phoned Mindy saying

it's not great he's fine but it's it's not great and I think there was just that big understanding because on the first crash it was very much like Jeremy

and James were speaking to my mom a lot because they saw it and they were there and they a lot of people were obviously like cushioning the blow and but they were very much like know this is what

happened and it's really quite serious mind um so that was scary cuz obviously then I was with her and it was like what what do we do now so my mom was like on

a plane going to see him and whatever but like I said he was he was fine he's ridiculously lucky they all play it off like even mates do together like me and

three of my mates that I could pick out or definitely the lads that I've been away with on road trips and stuff like that and we've created car films the boys that you've grown up with the guys

all play it off like oh him like SC screw each other they've all got that attitude but do you think they really care about each other like brothers almost I think if you've been you know they've worked together for 20 years I

think if you spent that much time together and also time in the weirdest places in the toughest places you know like in rainforests and deserts and

whatever then you do sort of have a bond I guess um and I think they would admit that like they are bonded by that but then they've also had 20 years together and they're sick of each other which is

so fair enough do you find it funny seeing cuz obviously where you knew parts of their personality growing up and like we all discover things that we weren't quite aware of like I'd have never put you in central London ever

just never I wouldn't have like I had this vision of here bump him but then you learn something different James was like Central London and now lives in the middle of the countryside near his Pub I

think I'm right Jeremy's obviously M with s when you had that Insight like growing up as a kid they all very different people know to who they were maybe when they were like in the the Top Gear days the early days but your dad's

always love the countryside yeah I think they probably all changed as anyone does in 20 years and

also yeah like you know Jeremy's had kids that are all grown up now they've got kids of their own I think everything they're also that a bit older than Rich

that I think I I didn't really realized until I got older they're sort of like 10 years older than rich is so they're like when we did the um shoot at James's

Pub and I think Mike was saying you know would Rich ever get a pub and yeah I think he probably would but in sort of 10 years he's not done yet he still wants to drive cars and do stupid stuff

I think is that why he's now more involved with drivve tribe and the other two left that side of things do you think they they're done with their car years I don't think they're I don't think they'll ever be done they they all

three of them love cars that's why the show was so successful because there so authentic um I just think they're they're moving on to other things

whereas I think yeah I think Rich has still got that he's got a bit more to go I think and loves the workshop I love the workshop it's chaos but it's so much fun explain the smallest Cog so how long

has this been around now and like how much has it been part of your life that's a good question that I don't know the answer to uh yeah it's been around for four years there we go that uh yeah

um no it's just it's great I've only been really into it recently because obviously I've been more into cars and more into learning

about cars and getting to know all the mechanics and their knowledge you don't have to get all know all the mechanics trust me I absolutely love cars I'm useless so but so I didn't realize this

so many people don't so I've Got Friends that can name like like can they can hear an engine and they can tell me what car it is like the model and the all the weird numbers and letters that right

okay perfect so like you they can just name anything but then if they looked under a bonnet at something that was broken they wouldn't have a a clue welcome to your new friend cuz I fit

into that camp perfectly I just kind of thought everyone knew everything but they they really don't they not to Scooby clo yeah but it's quite fun like I I'm I love the mechanic side of it as

well and learning how things work for me that's why I love Land Rovers as well because they're so I don't know they're just so interesting when you look underneath them they're just like I've

just bought a Range Rover which was really stupid I'm going to put out of there it was a really stupid idea okay it was 800 quid so for me I'm thinking

amazing all of you that were just picturing an 85 Grand Vogue screw you no no it's an 800 quid l322 and I I love it

it's proper like I'm going to call it like Clarks and spec you know like the green that Vibe um but we had a look underneath it the other day and now I

know why it's quid it's 95% rust it's chaos under there um but I can't I can't wait to get my hands on it and F like the satisfaction of doing it yourself

and driving around thinking yeah I did that you've spoken a lot about all of those cars and there must have been like growing up you must have just not even looked at what was on the driveway

sometimes that that had come home must have been absolutely crazy the supercars do anything for you what was that light drive in the first Supercar the other day with the McLaren artera

um the McLaren was lovely don't get me wrong uh but they they don't really do it not listening yeah Fair yeah they don't really do it for me

if I'm honest I don't I like Classics for like I really love a Ferrari 812 I hated mine whoa oh my God are we going to fall out no I'm joking I've never

driven one so I can't tell you if I it's fine everyone else is screaming with you it's just I've been very fortunate enough to be able to buy some of these

cars and that out of the four Ferrar I've been lucky enough to have was the biggest slck down why do you know what I don't never want to know I might be upset no no it's because it's not what

people think it's you you mentioned you like Classics and people like the mechanics and kind of when when you you hear the greatest car um journalists even of all time and that's excluding um

obviously the guys that are big parts of your life but like some of the guys I grew up watching on YouTube you got Chris Harris on cars and Jethro bovington and like people that have just obsessed and like wrote with EVO and

everything they love feel like hydraulic steering they like things that feel connected to the wheels and like with a Ferrari 4558 and I've still got the original Top Gear recording on my mom's

old Sky Box cuz I was like I'm going to own one of those and lucky enough did everything it's like modern mechanical like the steering wheel is still hydraulically connected to the wheels

you can feel the bumps you can feel the ulations in the road the 812 is like it's like I want to make that mug Roll Along the table so I'm going to put like four wheels it but then it just fall

over then you got to do something else to counter out it and something else to counteract it and something else to counteract it cuz it was never meant to be on four wheeels they've put so much

power in a car that's the wrong shape it doesn't work and every time you drive it it's like all the computerss and the systems are trying to make it stay on the road

so it's num num num num num rather than fun fun fun cuz you can't I I described it this way I'm probably going on a bit too much B now what I'm aeve you could

put it into a corner 20 times at the same speed with the same steering lock and you would get 20 different results you can't get used or feel comfortable to an 812 they're nuts I get why people

like them they also don't sound as good as everyone thinks they do not from the inside I'm so sorry however however a 408 Pista or or a 458 or something Mid engined Engine in the middle behind the

glass at the back get all the weight out of it give it hydraulic steering pie the resistance like that is that is the recipe or like a GT3 that that's my experience in that and I had

to say it everything you need to drive one I know and also also because I don't know what I'm doing under the Bonnet this was the most annoying bit CU I like to drive them a lot which means I can't

keep them long because I put loads of miles on them and then have a crisis after I've seen much they' appreciated but the 812 doesn't have an oil sensor all the others do and it was someone

that told me if you check the oil in that recently cuz they drink them like crazy and I'm like one of these people that isn't in the workshop learning all this stuff and I'm like well the light hasn't come on and they're like no no no

no you need to like check the dick dipstick under the Bonnet right like so I got Lou Who is 16 that lives next door to me and doesn't know how to do cars to come down open the garage door we pulled

out this dipstick and wiped it off and there was literally no oil in it like and I had to check it every time we drove it because the V12 drank so much oil like if you just want to go to the

gym in it you can't because he's like right Bon it up is it got oil in it no honestly the most disappointing car own I'm so sorry God I think you

just just absolutely but what what is your dream car from doing everything what is the kind of stuff that you would love to see in an is in izy garage and kind of like after you've kind of got to G RS more with some of the passions and

types of cars that you're liking to drive what do you like and what does your dad like there must be some crossovers but there must also be some separations no definitely crossovers um

Defender obviously Defenders Porsche as well what so now you're going to ask me what that is aren't you I'm trying to work out what it is oh it's Louis's car it's a BMW yeah

you got there first it's a really definitely a it's a it's a souped up BMW it's got 700 horsepower is it 700

yeah yeah that's nuts in that thing it's it's quite I think it's a 240i that was pared outside the van Wiggles on so would you like to drive that I have driven it but not in scary mode because

I'm too scared of it but I'm really loving the whole like mapping cars thing I did not understand that world until recently and I didn't realize that like

a BMW which has like the best engine ever will come out of the battery and it's like and it's doing like a tiny

percentage of what it can do because for safety reasons and stuff and if you just rewire some stuff and you clock into its brain you can make it go really quickly

I did not know that that's amazing so now I really want a BMW and want to make it into some kind of monster that's growing up with brainiacs that is can I make this car 5,000 horsepower no but I

didn't know that was and if you if you play with it enough you you can have a completely unique car that no one has amazing that's what I want to do I

that's so cool so maybe I'll do that um but in terms of my dream cars really similar to Rich like Defenders love them we'll always love them we'll always have

them Porsches love them I really like the like kind of the older ones like the older 911s and the ones you know like with the whale tail on the back oh really why have you got

everything I will show you see if you see if you're a fan what you want is an 800 quid l322 that's what you want really deep down yeah that's really cool it's nice

isn't it but the window falls down when you hit a p that's not great stuff like that happens and you're like you'll be driving like it just disappears yeah that's not brilliant see maybe we've got

similar taste in cars yeah I think so but also for me I I don't know enough yet I haven't driven enough I haven't seen enough I haven't heard enough to know what I like what I don't like and

that's something I never want to portray like I know what I'm talking about because I have no idea and I'm just learning as I go and what I really hope

my content shows is that you don't have to know everything to be interested in in cars and whatever that is because I love F1 as well I'm massive into my F1

but I really don't know enough about it but I'm learning and I want to and I've started writing about it because I want other people to understand in the way I understand which is just I don't like all this cuz you're involved with Red

Bull right yeah I do a little bit of work for them um sort of we filming a show that's almost like behind the scenes of their show runs so when they take their old the cars out and do

really cool stunts and stuff with them so yeah I'm I love so many little parts of the car world because it's so big and there are so many little callers of it but I don't know anything so it sounds

like your chapters are being written at the yeah and I but I really hope that people feel like they can get involved even if they don't know everything you don't have to know every make model XY Z

of cars you don't have to know a car by their engine sound and it also sounds like you were kind of interested in learning a lot of the YouTube space obviously a lot of what you do is now put in videos live how much does it

affect your mood if that video does well or not I really doesn't bother me that much I know Mike if if you sit down with Mike it really it really gets to him like it really affects him and I get

that because the whole YouTube thing is very much his craft and he's very good at it and he pushed like that's his push in Drive tribe and he's done amazing with it cuz he is a big reason why Drive

tribe does so well for me I just I just sit in the car and Yap so I don't I mean yeah it's great when they do well it's really good but for me I had a great day

filming it so I don't really mind I've had fun um and also I think if I if I back the content I've put out and I can sit down and say to myself yeah I

like that that was good I I felt good about that I did the best I could do I I don't really care so then the other thing that you alluded to that's a big part of your life Filming Drive tribe podcast yes when you've got that stuff

going on why did you start to do the podcast with your dad whose idea with is it and why did that happen and then tell us a bit about it it was to be honest it was kind of a mixed bag really we I

think we were speak well Rich was speaking to Global who we do the podcast with and um they were quite Keen for him to do a

podcast he was a bit unsure didn't really know because obviously the the obvious one is a car thing and that's been talked about a lot yeah with like

all three of them the fact of the matter is they're all three too busy right now and that's not to say it might not happen in the future but they're flat out they don't have time for that rich didn't want it wasn't the right time to

do a car thing he has a lot of other car things on the go but was in interested in the podcast idea and that's when I joined as almost like a researcher really and talked about maybe doing

something on men's mental health because it was a similar time to when his late District video went viral yeah it was amazing yeah and he was talking my friend Nick filmed that oh really oh Nick box yeah oh yeah he um yeah so rich

has always been to the late district and he has always considered his brain a lot like he's quite a big F BMW's back

I'm just going to wait cuz I it's so annoying that car anyway he's always consider he's always been a very thoughtful person and has considered his mental health a lot and

talks about it a lot obviously because of the crash and has had to literally rebuild his brain and talk about his brain constantly because that's the only way it's not like he's recovering a

broken leg and you can watch it recover he has to tell you if his brain is recovering which is a bit of a weird one in itself but anyway I said

well that video went really well you are a really good person to talk about men's mental health because a lot of people see you as kind of quite ly because you're in the car World Top Gear was

quite a ly show you would be quite a good I mean d I said people look up to him and so maybe if you could be a little bit open that would be quite

helpful for some people um and so I came in as an assistant producer just to help move things along like I said he's incredibly busy so to navigate him you

know just getting to a studio in London to do a couple of recordings was a bit of a challenge so the first one we did a pilot I sat in and had a microphone just

in case and it became interesting to have two what we thought would be completely different opinions so like a 55y old man versus 23 24 year old girl

surely our opinions on topics are going to be completely different what we found out as the series went on was how similar they were and obviously we're related so that does help but I think

more generally how you can talk about a topic like depression anxiety anything like that and how similar your thoughts can be is actually really comforting I

think and really mental health is quite a unifying experience because let's be honest we all have pretty similar emotions um so for me I think it was really nice to be able to talk cross

generationally um because you know people have sons and daughters and it would be quite nice if they found a way to be able to talk to their 20-year-olds about what they're going through and relate it to themselves so that's kind

of where the podcast was born out of and then we talk to guests every week and we do weave some car stuff into there I'm not going to lie yeah I've

seen Bernie was on recently as well yeah she's basically she followed me on Instagram and I lost it I was like this is the best day of my entire life I followed her back I messaged her I was

like is there any chance and she was like yeah I'd love to and then bam she's on the podcast best day of my life she's so cool so yeah we' obviously weave some car stuff in there it definitely is

always going to happen I think it sounds like a lot of the story a lot of your story has been car stuff weaving in whether like your alter likes it or not and it's become it's become that so like

as we come to like a conclusion of today do you set goals for the for like your chapters of this book that's unfolding or do you just let it write itself

completely let it right itself completely because I don't I think I'm really lucky to be able to be in a position to try lots of different things whether that's within the car World

whether that's within the media world I'm just every opportunity that comes my way I'm going to grab it because I don't know what it is I want to do in the future so for me it's just working that

out and I think that's the one thing that my dad will always say to me because of the way he got his job was just take every opportunity because your

luck might run out so go for it while you've got it and you need to work he always says if you get something via luck or via opportunity you need to work

twice as hard so that you can look yourself in the mirror and say to yourself I earned that even so even if that luck wasn't there I've I've worked double as hard so I've earned it to keep

it so I think that's what I'm going to keep doing um yeah I'm not going to write goals because I don't know what they'd be if I'm totally honest I'm just going to keep trying stuff and try not

to be too yappy I can Yap for England well thank you for coming on and Yapp him for England in the back of my van when I he was actually getting in the van earlier um Rich came past and looked

into it and said you're getting in the back of that van for a couple of hours and then he looked me and Toby up up and down and went okay chaps it's it's always a weird one to

get past that and that might be the strangest one is being like it's fine I swear I know it's a van but it's the part of the concept that does get people's eyebrows to go up for a few seconds but thank you for trusting me

and thank you for having a good jaap in the back of the van it's been fun and best of luck with everything on drivve dbe thank you so much thank you