J Sai Deepak | Problem of Common Language in Bharat

Good evening sir.

>> Yeah yeah yeah please go on.

>> Uh my name is Vikrant Raj.

>> Uh so my question is about how to get rid of English because one of the important aspect of uh Indianization of

judiciary or converting India to a bat >> is uh getting out of clutches of English uh because we do not have any common uh

language. What can be a road map? Can

language. What can be a road map? Can

Sanskrit be the alternative? So what are your views on this? Because Ambedkar has once said that Sanskrit is a is a good option as a national language.

Thank you.

>> Thanks for citing Ambedkar. But I think this question can be addressed without falling back on him. So I don't need to prove my points necessarily by the touchstone of Dr. Ambedkar. He may be relevant for certain aspects. He need

not be discussed on every subject. Now

as far as uh uh the common the question of a common language is concerned uh there is a discussion forget Dr. Ambbeedkar by Sri Lokat Mishra in the

constant assembly debates who is the father of the current MP from Puri Sri Pinaki Mishra a senior advocate of the Supreme Court go through the discussions on this particular subject. This was

actually proposed actively when the language policy was being discussed and they were discussing the provisions I think starting from article 351 onwards to 343 onwards in terms of what shall be the transactional language of the supreme court what shall be the

transactional language of the government institutions this was a discussion that was going on so Sanskrit was certainly proposed I think the solution is not that difficult again the history surrounding the solution is a serious

problem because will this be accepted in certain parts of the southern states I'm not sure of it will it be accepted in the Northeast, I'm not sure of it. Will

it be accepted in Kashmir? I'm not sure of it. Will it be accepted in Bengal as

of it. Will it be accepted in Bengal as it stands today? I have no idea. Or will

it be even accepted in Maharashtra as it stands today? I really have no idea.

stands today? I really have no idea.

Okay. So, as far as I'm concerned, none of these discussions are possible without addressing the central question of distortion of history because Sanskrit has now been given a

certain racial connotation. it has been given a certain colonizing connotation and uh we are much more comfortable accepting the language of the admitted

colonizer namely the British man but we seem to be very uncomfortable accepting the language of the alleged colonizer namely the so-called Arian okay so I

think unless and until we address the question of history and uh whether this particular language see there are two aspects one is of course the question of self-esteem,

pride. But the second question is a very

pride. But the second question is a very serious and practical question of whether this is feasible, what is the economic cost, what is the cost of integration. How long will it take

integration. How long will it take before we actually think of Sanskrit as not a dead language and as a language which is meant for transaction? That is

a question which I'm not sure of because you see at least other countries invested significantly in their education policy and language policy immediately after independence. anybody

who's written I've cited this example more than once but let me repeat it for whatever it's worth practically a dead language until the early 20th century

until the Jewish Congress was set up I think in 1897 by theor Herszel and then they started thinking of creation of the state of Israel called namely the the

Jewish state dare Jordan start that's what he said in his book and uh they then started asking themselves what shall be the common language because you see by that time for 2,000 years the

Jewish community had lived as a diaspora in multiple countries somewhere in Russia somewhere in Poland somewhere in Germany somewhere in Africa Ethiopia in

all these places Syria Iraq so the question was if all these people come back they have forgotten Hebrew what is the common language that they

shall speak in so there was one mad man called Yehuda Ben Elisier who said Hebrew shall be the common language age and people branded him a crackpot during

his life and time. But ultimately when they set up their education system, they decided that Hebrew shall not only be revived, it shall be mainstreamed through the education policy. Okay.

Ultimately that madman proved to be the prophet and he turned out to be right.

Unfortunately, India still hasn't produced that one madman who can actually assert this and push it hard.

Okay? who says no matter what you guys can label me you can call me whatever you want but I am not changing my position one bit and this is the only language that should work because ultimately history is not created by

people who are agreeable history is actually created by people who are disagreeable who are intrigent who say which means you will have to either kill me or you have to work around me these

are the only two options that you give to the rest of the world we have arrived at a spot where There must be a certain degree of civilizational intrigence to basically say we will not change this

position any further. This is our position. Those who can take it can.

position. Those who can take it can.

Those who can't can leave it and also leave. If that position is something

leave. If that position is something that you're not willing to take after 20 years you'll continue to ask the very same question. So I am basically telling

same question. So I am basically telling you address the issues surrounding the politics of Sanskrit, the cast politics of Sanskrit, the religious politics of

Sanskrit and the racial politics of Sanskrit and then we can have a common conversation because I refuse to buy this nonsense that prior to the introduction of English bhartias were

incapable of talking to each other.

Okay. Apparently we were transacting business with Rome but the Odia was not talking to the Telugu because English right so that seems to be the beauty of

our understanding today we don't want to ask this question if there were permits if there were let's say uh Janapata to Janapata permits and they were transacting business and all of this was

actually happening what is the language why don't you ask that question So during the course of the Padna Swami case the one thing I learned is that in the vaults of the Padanavas Swami temple

among the treasures that you find is also the Roman coin because they used to transact. Why? What did Rome need from

transact. Why? What did Rome need from us? Spices. What did they give in

us? Spices. What did they give in return? Gold.

return? Gold.

So Roman coins are there clearly establishing business. Sign language

establishing business. Sign language what is happening here internally? What

was going on? You were even transacting business with Misra which is Egypt which comes from Egypt itself comes from the word corp because Coptic Christians were the among the earliest Christians

to convert to Christianity. Coptics was

effectively the name that was given to the people of Egypt initially. So the

point is if this was happening why are we giving this business or this entire impression that Sanskrit was the language of the elite? No there are multiple levels of it. One is the

advanced language which obviously is meant to be discussed between the elites. But then there is also the

elites. But then there is also the samasha.

Are you telling me that the language of Hindi itself which is applied on the street is the same as that is applied between the academics of Hindi? Not

possible. Right? So I think this requires a fair degree of investment and research because you see solution you are first of all trying to address

the politics around every issue. Name

one issue in this country which is which is which can be separated from the politics that has been created around it. Language, gender, cast, religion,

it. Language, gender, cast, religion, rashi identity everything.

So you have to be able to deal with that. Unfortunately, I don't think there

that. Unfortunately, I don't think there is even an intellectual investment on that particular front with state support.

Whatever is happening is happening through individual efforts and whatever is happening is happening because of some madman actually burning the midnight oil and giving up his personal life to do this. Lot of people have done

this and they have died bitter deaths.

Lot of people have done this in the previous generation without any support from anyone.

So therefore let us first respect those people who are seriously working on these subjects and give them the support needed. solutions will emerge if not in

needed. solutions will emerge if not in one generation at least in the next generation because some of these issues which have been in uh let's say which have which are suffering as a consequence of investment of over 200

years you can't hope to address it within 10 years or 15 years but the beginning must be made once the beginning is made some people will start taking it seriously and even pursue it

as a matter of choice of career that's when this entire thing starts how many people can you actually show me today on the in the development sector in the language sector who have focused on

producing papers which explain how we come out with an Indic language policy which speaks of mainstreaming of Indic languages as part of a transactions as part of a state institutions and

creating a common language why is that a discussion that's not there even at the PhD level forget the state level because there's no incentive for it

so that is where the role of the state comes the state its biggest strength is to create a multiplier effect that is if

the state becomes the launchpad for a certain policy X is capable of becoming X raised to the power of 10.

So it it has the ability to create an order of magnitude effect and therefore state investment is significantly necessary. But if the

significantly necessary. But if the state is stuck in the very same old done to death nonsense that I don't have an identity, I'm a secular state, I don't have any relationship with my civilization, my civilization is not

Hindu, yoga is not Hindu, Ayurveda is not Hindu, finally Hindu is also not Hindu, you dehinduize everything under the sun. Then what

remains is discussion next.

Yeah. Uh the interesting part is it's not just uh the state which is making statements such as this. Some new age YouTube gurus have also started saying that yoga or Hindu may go for and there is no relationship at all. God save us.

>> Yes.

>> Hello sir.

>> Where is Yeah. Yeah. Please.

>> Yeah. Uh my name is Rushiesh. Uh and I would like to thank you for writing a wonderful book. Um I haven't personally

wonderful book. Um I haven't personally read it. uh my mother is reading it and

read it. uh my mother is reading it and she has not given it to me. So uh but she says it's be uh you know it's great so I believe her uh I uh since I haven't

read it so uh I'll be asking question based on uh one of the threads that you started in the previous uh question answer of the previous question you said history is created by people who are

disagreeable and not agreeable. you know

that one man he he's intrans and all those. My my

question is when one man stands up and you know disagrees with the masses people start to if whether he is in power or not people start to term him as

you know a dictatorial or you knowka politics or whatever. So how would you counter that? So that's uh uh that's one

counter that? So that's uh uh that's one question and uh I had a second question.

Repeat the question please because I think there's a problem with the audio.

Just repeat the question.

>> Sorry.

Oh, repeat the question. Sorry. So, my

question was um when uh a person start uh you know a disagreeable person comes people start to um you know term him as a dictator or authoritarian.

>> Understood.

>> Yeah. So how would you counter that? You

know if he he has to create a a certain person has to create a history by oh cold sorry. So if he has to create a

cold sorry. So if he has to create a history he has to go against the flow.

How would he do that if uh he is being uh you know uh termed a dictator or authoritarian. So that's one question

authoritarian. So that's one question and second uh question is since uh you are a supreme court lawyer um I wanted to ask this for a long time to a supreme court lawyer. uh there is a perception

court lawyer. uh there is a perception at least for me uh I don't know about the Nazis figure but uh there is a question uh sorry perception that uh the

judiciary is not being fair in terms of you know um oh uh a better word would be it is

trying to you know um it is trying to impose the uh law or it is trying to impose the rules where it can impose it and it is not trying to uh you know

impose it where it cannot be for forced.

So what are your comments on that? Uh I

hope you have understood.

>> I've understood the question. I've

understood the question. Okay.

>> Trying too hard to sound politically correct but I got the message.

>> So uh and you're putting a lawyer on the spot with regard to an institution that he's practicing before. Very good. So

uh as far as the first question is concerned, so um take three people A, B and C. All

three of them go to the same institution.

Two of them come out relatively unchanged with respect to their attachment to their respective cultures.

One person comes out spitting venom on his culture and with a sense of self-loathing.

All three are being subjected to the same kind of education but the impact seems to be different on different people. The reason is twofold. One,

people. The reason is twofold. One,

the other two groups are effectively producing institutions and which is to say societal institutions as well as family based institutions which manage to put a

certain filter which is not changed by the education system.

Whereas as far as the majority community is concerned, it has effectively outsourced the value of introduction of any kind of value- based filter entirely to the school system entirely to the

rest of the society.

The institutions or the traditional institutions which are supposed to give you the rooting in your culture have effectively been emasculated by the state and the family in turn from a

joint family system to the nuclear family system. its ability to provide

family system. its ability to provide cultural moing as far as its children are concerned has already been reduced.

Independent of that they take a lot of pride in the degree of freedom that they give to their children as opposed to the kind of values that they impart to the children. Okay. When you have these

children. Okay. When you have these fundamental problems, you are producing such intransigent people despite the system and in spurts

not with a certain degree of regularity.

Because at the end of the day, it's a question of how many such intransigent people you're able to produce on a regular basis who keep taking a shot at the system to keep changing it on an

incremental basis on a regular basis because this is not something that can be done in one year or two years. One

generation needs to produce someone who takes a serious shot at the system changes it in one way then that has to work. You have had Sham Prasad Mukharji.

work. You have had Sham Prasad Mukharji.

You have had Atar Bhihari Wajpai and then you have had Sri Narendra Modi. You

started off with Azarudin. Then you went to Sarav Ganguli. Then you tried with Rahul Dravid. From there you moved

Rahul Dravid. From there you moved gradually towards Dhoni and then you have come to Virat Kohli. Can you see the increase in confidence over successive generations?

That happens everywhere. that applies in every aspect of life.

So therefore, you should be looking at a vision which is fairly long-term and you must be investing in such institutions and individuals because it is institutions that produce such individuals and those individuals

themselves who build such institutions in the future. It's a cycle that feeds of itself.

What you have done as a society is to undercut your autonomous institutions by making them completely dependent on the state and I mean temples in this regard.

and the matas in this regard and the society is also more than happy to embrace secularism because you see it has traded English for culture.

So therefore your ability to produce intrigent people has gone down. I'll

give you the lamest possible example or the crudest possible example on this particular subject in the most let's say outwardly fashion.

Ask yourself how many people have the self-confidence because we constantly expect women to wear saries. I challenge

the men to wear dois and walk in an uber elitist mall.

Do that first because when you are capable of doing that then you have the right to pontificate to women what they are supposed to wear to preserve culture.

Okay, that's one. Second, compare this with the confidence of other people who comfortably wear whatever they can and whatever they are expected of in any place

mall cinema hall.

That is where is the problem of inferiority complex. That is colonial

inferiority complex. That is colonial consciousness which I'm trying to highlight here.

Understood? You can't seem to address the basic question of dressing and clothing.

I would like to ask the simple question.

How many people wear the kungum or the vibui and get out of the house but the moment they enter their office spaces they wipe it off? I have seen so many people do that. I know so many people who do that.

That's not the case with other people.

Whether he has to wear the topi or the pugi is very comfortable wearing that. I

respect them for it.

I admire them for it 100%.

You can do the mulyanka later.

That's a secondary issue. At least he is living by the principles that he believes in. He is more than

believes in. He is more than comfortable. He is more than happy to

comfortable. He is more than happy to the snook at the west and to basically say [Music] he's very comfortable making that statement. You as a society don't have

statement. You as a society don't have that confidence.

He is very comfortable wearing that statement. He doesn't matter whether the

statement. He doesn't matter whether the dress is knee length or ankle length. It

doesn't matter to him at all. He's

comfortable wearing that clo.

Take a look at what's happening in Afghanistan and tell me that technology will trump over ideology. No. Patience

and ideology and conviction will always win. It's a question of the time cycle

win. It's a question of the time cycle that you're interested in investing.

They were ready to wait for 20 years.

History has rewarded them. You may not like them.

You may sit and point out whatever their flaws may be. But ultimately after 20 years with patience, they have succeeded against the sole surviving superpower

with its hyper technology.

Right?

Draws a leaf out of that page. Because

when I say this Hindu Taliban, no no I am saying there is always something to be learned even from the worst of your detractors and enemies or

adversaries.

Invest in your institutions.

Preserve your institutions which are capable of preserving your way of life regardless of the eb and flow of politics because politics is temporary.

Civilization is permanent.

So if you keep your priorities right and you invest in those institutions which have proven to keep alive your way

of life despite the ravages of time and history you will continue to produce people who will resist and who will bring back your way of life.

Every time we have had a problem, some person, some rishi has come out to help a vibi. Shri Arabindu effectively called

a vibi. Shri Arabindu effectively called Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj a vibhuti as someone without whom this entire civilization would have

effectively seen itself being pushed to the verge of extinction and wiped out.

Such ribhutis have been created from time to time because there were institutions to produce them because at that time you were resisting the sword and the only way to resist the

sword is not to offer your neck but to draw the sword.

But subsequently comes the guy who teaches you the value of tolerance [Music] and who effectively says you and I can coexist

but you know what you need to change a bit.

So I will introduce with the noblest of intentions which of course pave the way to hell reform.

And how do I do that?

What you read is outdated. So let's

replace your patalas with English education system and the colonial education system and let's change the language policy.

If you have your civilizational love centers which have the autonomy to run their own institutions of education, I dare say whether we have the solution

or not, we'll at least have the let's say a better group of people with much more confidence and better solutions to offer because they have been trained in that system.

I am not saying kill English. I am never going to say kill English. I am saying let it be just one of the let's say languages of communication but it can't be the medium of instruction. There's a

distinction between knowing a language and treating that as a medium of instruction. But you can't just change

instruction. But you can't just change the medium of instruction by retaining the very same content because then it is deadlier that you're consuming western education in your mother tongue which makes the impact even deadlier.

Therefore the change has to start with content as well as the medium in which that content is disseminated.

Which is why for every generation whether it's from 98 to 2004 or 2014 to 2021 we're saying education policy education policy I mean like a stuck grammar phone that's an old reference

anyway we keep saying please change the education policy but some people seem to be taking pride in the fact that they've not changed a single page in history books okay so when this is the sense of

pride from which you operate what do you do then you can't actually tout this as a badge of honor according To me, it's a badge of shame.

Tomorrow, when it comes to a political platform, you're more than comfortable talking about how Marxists have distorted history, but you're no more in opposition to keep making the statement.

What have you done is the specific question that you should be asking yourself.

That's a legitimate question to ask. If

the other side asks he's antinational, but I'm pro- civilization, I'm asking this question. What is wrong with the

this question. What is wrong with the question?

I am asking the question that kindly don't behave like you are the ruling party in opposition.

That can't be the way you operate.

When you reduce I'm sorry, look at what has been going on whether it's in Bengal or Bangladesh. What is the difference

or Bangladesh. What is the difference today? What is the difference today?

today? What is the difference today?

Some of those videos are horrendous.

Absolutely horrendous.

And we seem to be issuing emergency passports for Afghans. What's happening

for Bangladeshi Hindus?

So we are not just second grade citizens inside the country. We are also second grade people globally is it?

How many more videos do you want before you react?

Last night I was sitting with my friends hoping to have a good time.

A research scholar from a minority institution in Delhi reaches out to me who is the product of refugee Bangladeshi Hindus crying.

I don't know her from Adam, not Adam, from Manu.

I don't know her at all.

She somehow found out my number. She

calls and she weeps.

Imagine at the dead of the night a woman is calling and she's weeping. You don't

know how to react.

But I said, "What's happening?" So she said, "Sir, I got your number from so and so so and so. I want to talk to you.

I'm a research scholar. I come from this particular lineage.

My relatives are still stuck in that hell hole."

hell hole." People are not reporting that 300 people have been killed. Not four, not 10, not 25, 300 people.

Gang rapes in the same way as 1946 and 1971 are being repeated. Mass

molestations near Pandals.

That news is not even coming out.

You can't seem to protect these people.

Pakistan people were celebrating IPL. Dhoni's

victory. I don't know what to make of it. What a suicidal community.

it. What a suicidal community.

What a delusional civilization.

Dhoni has made a comeback. Apparently

that's what we should be celebrating really what are your priorities after listening to that girl I said I don't even know the value of what we are

doing this is the real issue cricket celebrate replace the victim community with any other religion tell me that the people of that religion would have reacted in the same way they'd be celebrating an

IPL victory That is the reality of your situation.

So stop blaming others. The problem lies within.

These are your priorities. Dhoni over

Bangladeshi Hindus being raped, murdered and killed.

I don't know. I don't know what is the meaning of these discussions. I honestly

don't know what are we achieving.

I'll write a book. It'll sell.

Commercially, it'll 100% sell. What is

my simple calculation?

184,000 followers on Twitter, 40,000 followers everywhere else, 25% minimum at the very least. Out of curiosity, somebody will buy. The minimum figure that you're supposed to cross to reach the bestseller section of the

non-fiction category is 15,000.

The book is one.

How is this helping the Bangladeshi Hindu who's being raped and murdered?